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| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 9 2008, 04:51 PM |
| Congratulations to NICKtendoDS for the second place, and all the other people who entered! Now, as we've had quite a few character based competitions, I'm going to break the c-c-combo by doing something extrordinary. This minigame's theme is loneliness. What I want you to do is pull off a game, where you feel incredibly lonely. It could be a single person all alone in the world, or it could be a group that's being surpressed, in any way, you need to get the actual feel of loneliness in the game. Music doesn't always add this effect, so be creative! Examples of games that has pulled this off would be Luigi's Mansion, where Luigi is all alone in a huge mansion catching ghosts. Another example would be Valve's seller Portal where you're a test rabbit all alone in your little cage. But remember, it has to be Mario themed, which means it has to focus around Mario universe characters. No previous work either. I'm giving you 3 weeks to pull this off, which means voting begins the 31 October! If you have any issues, complaints or suggestions please tell me! |
| Posted by: NICKtendo DS Oct 9 2008, 04:55 PM |
| Entering! And this time, I will stand victorious and heal my ego! |
| Posted by: Soiyeruda Oct 9 2008, 05:06 PM |
| Nintendo theme? I think you mean Mario themed? Yes? I'll see what I can do..... |
| Posted by: Elyk Oct 9 2008, 05:11 PM |
| loneliness that rules out so many genres right away |
| Posted by: Noone Oct 9 2008, 05:24 PM |
| I hope I can spare a day or two and do one of these one word minigame competitions... |
| Posted by: Razz Oct 9 2008, 05:31 PM | ||
Not exactly, you could even make a lonely rpg if you pull it off correctly I'm so doing this one |
| Posted by: NICKtendo DS Oct 9 2008, 05:43 PM |
| Nevermind. Count me out. I can't think of anything right now and my motivation is dead. |
| Posted by: Razz Oct 9 2008, 05:47 PM | ||
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| Posted by: Toodles Oct 9 2008, 06:06 PM |
| Oh man, have I got a fun idea that would fit this perfectly. Now, let's see if I can scrape together enough time to make it... |
| Posted by: OniLink10 Oct 9 2008, 06:46 PM |
| Hrm, I gotta think about this... Maybe a Maze... |
| Posted by: Elyk Oct 9 2008, 07:58 PM | ||
I'd like to see someone make a lonely beat-em up, a lonely RTS, or a lonely shooter that isn't boring. |
| Posted by: phazonluigi Oct 9 2008, 08:08 PM | ||
he said NOT ALL of the genres you made it seem liek it was a shitload. |
| Posted by: Black Boo Oct 9 2008, 08:14 PM |
| UGH! SUPER SUCKY THEME! Seriously, this theme kills so many ideas. Please change it. |
| Posted by: MegaTailzChao Oct 9 2008, 08:24 PM |
| Oh god I am so totally on this. |
| Posted by: Ndsfreak Oct 9 2008, 09:10 PM |
| I really like this idea, but I lack gamemaking skills, plus my computer is broken down. |
| Posted by: General Oct 9 2008, 09:24 PM |
| TPS would be a perfect genre for this subject. |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 9 2008, 11:56 PM |
| Stop complaining about the theme just because it requires some dedication and efford. I think I'll enter, General's post made me think of something :D |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 9 2008, 11:57 PM |
| double post oops |
| Posted by: Jlhgomez Oct 10 2008, 12:09 AM |
| Can we team up with another member? |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 10 2008, 12:11 AM | ||
Yep you can! |
| Posted by: Jlhgomez Oct 10 2008, 12:29 AM | ||
Sweet idea comes to my mind. Count me and Yak in! I'll try to end the game this month lol |
| Posted by: Soiyeruda Oct 10 2008, 01:37 AM |
| I almost forgot my idea none of you may steal! Idea - Murder Mansion (or something) Luigi and a bunch of his friends decide to enter a spooky home on a dark midnight. Upon entering, they soon begin to search the house in every direction possible. Luigi, too cowardly to search, stays behind in the Lobby. Not more than 5 minutes later, Luigi suddenly hears everyone scream. Luigi must now search for what has happened. Oh, and for people who complain about the theme: be creative! Loneliness has many possibilities. Shooter: A man walks into a house with a gun for protection and begins shooting things. RPG: An RPG is a Roll-Playing Game. It doesn't have to be Level Up, etc. This opens up a murder mystery possibility. Beat-Em-Up: Cowardly boy walks through a graveyard. Everytime he steps on something (like a rake), he freaks out and you can begin to pound on the rake. |
| Posted by: Hohoo Oct 10 2008, 02:09 AM |
| I already have an idea... But I would like to team up with some Python programmer - my skills are not so good... |
| Posted by: Jlhgomez Oct 10 2008, 02:17 AM |
| NO IDEA STEALING PLEASE. So this is our idea (Mostly Yak's, I just tweaked it!): No name game involing Raphael Raven: You know, living on a space palace must be boring for Raph, he feels very alone, because when Yoshi beated him, all the other ravens abandoned Raph, so he will seek revenge! He will go get that Yoshi and get his revenge!... But many things happen on this journey! It works? Yak is going to help me with ideas and sprites, and I'm doing the main programming! |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 10 2008, 02:22 AM |
| Can we use an inanimate object freind? Like companion cube? |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 10 2008, 05:16 AM | ||||
Your Shy Guy game had the lonely feel, so I don't see why you can't make that feel again
as long as you get the feel of loneliness in the game yeah |
| Posted by: NICKtendo DS Oct 10 2008, 05:24 AM | ||
That would be repeating what I did the last competition, but I will see... |
| Posted by: Wolfgator Oct 10 2008, 05:59 AM |
| I lack the intended skills but if somebody whats to team up, i'm a good spriter and have an idea for a game! |
| Posted by: Boomb Oct 10 2008, 07:33 AM |
| I might want to team up, Nappse. Send me an PM with ideas and stuff. |
| Posted by: Soiyeruda Oct 10 2008, 09:53 AM |
| Aughck! I'll be the only single person! Oh well, I prefer it that way anyways. |
| Posted by: LocoRoo Oct 10 2008, 10:08 AM | ||
You can't be serious. If I had a facepalm image the size of Earth times 5, it still wouldn't feel like enough. What do you want? A Goomba competition? A Toad (any, not just the titular Toad character) competition? Or perhaps a Any-Mario-Character-You-Want compo? Btw, I'm thinking about entering this. coughpointandclickcough |
| Posted by: Neopolis Oct 10 2008, 10:13 AM |
| NICKtendo's game for the last compo felt really lonely to me... That is, until he added all the medi guys. I dunno why, it was just something about the whole thing that felt lonesome. |
| Posted by: Soiyeruda Oct 10 2008, 10:13 AM |
| @LocoRoo: People have apparently become so used to character competitions that when a really good Halloween-idea is thrown at them, they don't know what to do. Character competitions provided fewer options, bu the Lonely theme is MUCH more diverse than a Shy Guy theme. I can name more ideas for this one than last competition. And if you people are that lazy, do something simple. Like one of those spooky scary story games where the main character can be killed. |
| Posted by: LocoRoo Oct 10 2008, 10:17 AM |
| And you could always look at Yahzee's XDAS series. The last days of 6 Days A Sacrifice are SO scary. And you're all alone if you don't count the clone Trilbies. But they're just baits for The Prince, so. |
| Posted by: Neopolis Oct 10 2008, 10:33 AM | ||
I never played 6DAS but jesus fucking christ I couldn't sleep after 5das ;-; 7das was decent but not half as good |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 10 2008, 10:49 AM |
| Awesome, I'm going to go really loose on the Mario theme here but it will still be within it's bounds. Now to find good ambiance and footstep sounds... EDIT: Main character is a bob-omb by the way, and thats all you'll get to know because atmospheric games require random secrecy. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 10 2008, 01:02 PM |
| I'm torn between my original inanimate object freind one and a 'two people lost in a cave trying to find each other and helping by unlocking things from their end in their freind's end' game. |
| Posted by: Mr. Bird Oct 10 2008, 02:00 PM |
| I have an idea, Mario and the princess go out for a stroll. Meanwhile bowser captures him and the princess, and uses a power cube that creates a black hole that sucks in every living creature, except luigi - and a secret friend. Some how he and his friend had a special power that made them resisistant to it, noticing that everyone is gone he has to try to survive the fleet of his minions that bowser leaves behind. But I don't really like it, so its up for grabs for anyone who likes it. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 10 2008, 03:21 PM | ||
Sounds exactly like my one... |
| Posted by: Black Boo Oct 10 2008, 04:28 PM | ||
Already on it.  Idea- Luigi's trapped in the masion again...WITH NO POLTERGUST!!! Now he needs to escape the mansion using his fists. :soverymanly: |
| Posted by: Fawfulhasfury Oct 10 2008, 04:51 PM | ||
OT: Play Trilby's Notes and you'll never sleep again. |
| Posted by: Ice_Hedgehog22 Oct 10 2008, 05:27 PM |
| A bit late here, but uh, isn't voting only supposed to go a single day, not TWO? |
| Posted by: Black Boo Oct 10 2008, 05:37 PM |
| Changed my mind. Idea-Mario's been kidnapped, along with the princess, so Luigi goes to save them. |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 10 2008, 05:55 PM | ||
we had 3 votes after the first day. Not exactly a sucess. |
| Posted by: YForce 0X Oct 10 2008, 06:23 PM | ||
crud, thats what i was doing...  ah well, ill still make it EDIT: nah, theme is too hard to make a game, droping my entry |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 12 2008, 04:23 AM |
| Changed my idea. You are goomba lost in a cave with no-one but a block as a freind, you push him around with you to solve puzzles in hope of finding your way out. Unfortunately it requires a push script, I'm still working on that part... (Also, sprites/music/everything will be custom) |
| Posted by: Yoshbert Oct 12 2008, 12:23 PM |
| I've got an idea, so I'll be entering. It involves Peach getting kidnapped my Bowser again, and she has to escape without getting caught. |
| Posted by: Project_MK Oct 12 2008, 12:25 PM |
| My idea. You're a shyguy trapped in a cave, the only way out is to explore. Now if only I had someone who could actually make the game, hinthint~ |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 12 2008, 01:27 PM |
| 99% of the ideas so far: "You're a *random mario character* trapped in *random lonely area* with only *either partner or some ability* to help you out!" Be more creative people! |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 12 2008, 03:31 PM |
| I've started mine, and tbh, I had the idea before most people. It's a bit glitchy at the moment and quite short, but i'm working on it. C+C is appreciated. EDIT: Controls are Space to start Arrow keys to move Shift to jump up to go through door. |
| Posted by: Littlink Oct 12 2008, 03:44 PM |
| All the cave ideas are daunting. D: |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 12 2008, 03:48 PM |
| Mario is the US, Bowser is Russia, they fight with fireballs which happen to have a fallout effect on the entire world, apocalypse by fireball radiation (get it? fireballs are nukes hur durr) and everyone gets deaded. Cept you're all alive and shit and yeah... alone... Just came up with that, the final story will be more refined... |
| Posted by: Gemini Oct 12 2008, 05:58 PM | ||
whats the other 1%? |
| Posted by: Mr. Bird Oct 12 2008, 06:06 PM | ||
Except the friend is a traitor goomba. You can abuse him, like jump on him to bounce higher, but you gotta make sure he stays with you in the end. I already ave an awesome demo ready. Its just not complete. Also it will be two players. |
| Posted by: LuigiFan Oct 12 2008, 07:54 PM | ||
fffffffff that's what i was going to base my game off of and was hoping nobody would notice |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 12 2008, 08:39 PM | ||
Its a hypothetical percentage used to show an exaggerated point! Don't question mah talking points that I choose to convey with exaggerated percentages! |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 13 2008, 01:09 PM |
| Oops... I uploaded the wrong file last time, it had an impossible start and didn't chage the music when you started. I fixed it, though. I need more puzzle ideas, visit my topic in Fangames Discussion and make some. Current File: |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 13 2008, 02:30 PM | ||
Cool puzzles, could use some lighting or ambiance to increase that feeling of loneliness... |
| Posted by: Elyk Oct 13 2008, 09:08 PM |
 It feels lonelier than it looks. |
| Posted by: Strong Oct 13 2008, 09:16 PM |
| You and Luigi go into Bowser's castle. A giant earthquake (or something) happens and you lose track of Luigi. Most of the enemies die too. You're all alone in a completely empty castle trying to figure out what happened to your brother and the whole place. Yeah, it'll be pretty intense. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 14 2008, 11:00 AM | ||
I would do lighting but I can't think of a creative way of doing it, but ambience... What sort of ambience? |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 14 2008, 11:06 AM |
| Great game Thingy! It definitely feels lonely! But as Keyser suggested, adding light would help even more. Also there's a bug when I sometimes try to push my block, I just get thrown like 10 pixels away from it. Oh, and being forced take your block with you would be cool. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 14 2008, 11:21 AM | ||
Yeah, I'm sure how to fix that bug. The lighting thing, not sure of any good ideas as of how to do the lighting. And the bringing your block with you, I'm not sure how you mean. and some puzzles that wouldn't work. (Also, my puzzle ideas topic was moved to miscellaneous discussion, check it there and submit your puzzle ideas, I really need them). |
| Posted by: Hello Oct 14 2008, 03:35 PM |
| My entry: http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223430 |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 14 2008, 03:40 PM |
| I've added a level and made the lava give off light and ashy stuff. I really need your level ideas people!!! Here's the updated demo: |
| Posted by: Bigbowsa Oct 14 2008, 04:16 PM |
| I have an idea. I think I'll enter. |
| Posted by: RedEchidna Oct 14 2008, 05:19 PM |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVGMAAHdbNs My entry. Still trying to make it more lonely and polished. |
| Posted by: LuigiFan Oct 14 2008, 06:35 PM |
| i'm actually going to try this for once zomg i'll post a screenshot of what i've got so far  it doesn't look like much, but i guess it's not supposed to look like much to begin with |
| Posted by: Mr. Bird Oct 14 2008, 06:36 PM |
| NO! No no no no no no... ;-; I deleted one of my best engines, it had two player movement, and you could jump on eachothers shoulders and... Just ungh... I hope I can re-create it. |
| Posted by: MegaTailzChao Oct 14 2008, 07:00 PM | ||
Can't use old engines anyways. |
| Posted by: Black Boo Oct 14 2008, 07:27 PM |
| Changed my mind. AGAIN. Doing a Dry Fire parody against zombies. |
| Posted by: Fez Oct 14 2008, 07:33 PM | ||
Gameplay, graphics and sound are awesome! What Im not sure of though, is how you managed to give the game a lonely feel. I mean it had colorful graphics and nice music!!! I have no clue how that works. That is a superb game. |
| Posted by: Yoshbert Oct 14 2008, 07:55 PM |
| http://www.sendspace.com/file/z977t3 It ends at the last level. And if you can name the music used in the levels, you get a cookie. |
| Posted by: Fez Oct 14 2008, 08:21 PM | ||
I dunno where the music is from:( No cookie for me. Can I have a crumb at least? Anyways, Good game with physics and stuff but the music (still no cookie) sounded a little cheery. Maybe thats just me. |
| Posted by: Elyk Oct 14 2008, 09:14 PM |
| not much but I want to make sure I'm doing this right http://www.box.net/shared/e7j4mgx79s |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 15 2008, 09:07 AM | ||||
I love the way you did this, haha, very humours. Unfortunately not very lonely.
Yes it definitely feels lonely, and what adds to that effect is that all enemies are running from you, and when you touch them they die. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 15 2008, 10:54 AM |
| because I am getting no puzzle ideas, I might sig this link: http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223357 But in a nice picture of course. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 15 2008, 03:15 PM |
| Oh, I updated too. Here: EDIT: You can come up with puzzle ideas involving new things if that seems to be the hinderance that is preventing anyone from submitting any. |
| Posted by: Datt Oct 17 2008, 06:48 PM |
Just a screenshot from my entry, The lighting isn't the best right now, but hopefully that'll be improved. |
| Posted by: RedEchidna Oct 18 2008, 09:54 AM |
| Holy crap, my game compresses tiny. That's probably because I didn't add any sound effects yet. http://redechidna.110mb.com/Misc/MGC40.zip Here ya go  |
| Posted by: LocoRoo Oct 18 2008, 11:49 AM |
| "Mario's Notes" brb EDIT: Look at my avatar. Creepy, eh? |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 18 2008, 02:01 PM |
| I added some more to my game. I still need ideas though. Imma add diferent music for the ice world soon. |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 18 2008, 06:47 PM |
| I MIGHT whip up an entry in this last week or so. If I do, you're a bob-omb who wakes up in a dimly lit room in what appears to be a factory. I plan to examine the interesting life of a species whose entire purpose in life is to die. More after the jump. |
| Posted by: RedEchidna Oct 23 2008, 10:42 AM |
| I have a question about graphics. I'm making a city level (Don't worry, it's pretty much empty), and I was wondering if it'd be okay to stick a little banner of one of my other games on a billboard. http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m196/RedEchidna/mlgrblah.png This is what I mean by it. (The level's still a WIP, btw.) |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 23 2008, 10:45 AM |
| you don't have to ask us that, just consider the effect it gives |
| Posted by: Alex Oct 23 2008, 10:52 AM | ||
Very. @ RedEchidna: I guess you're allowed to do it, but what you showed us on the picture is in my opinion not very good-looking. |
| Posted by: RedEchidna Oct 23 2008, 10:58 AM | ||
Bleh, it really hinders the effect. I actually think I'll take it out. |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 23 2008, 02:16 PM |
| All of my graphics are custom, so taking awhile to get anything playable... Working with kind of a demade (less detailed) M&L style. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 23 2008, 02:25 PM |
| Added a bit. Why am I getting no puzzle ideas? help, people! Will add more music later. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 26 2008, 12:16 PM |
| Been fixing glitches, you can now jump onto your block, then off again and still push it afterwards, and you can't hold down jump to "bounce". Also, made a few more levels into ice ones and gave ice and fire levels different music, although, standing on the ledge on the first fire level listening to the music and watching the mesmerising lava and ash kinda makes you want to jump in for some reason. Added lava spouts that kill you, too. Demo soon. Need boss ideas as well now! |
| Posted by: Yoshbert Oct 26 2008, 12:37 PM |
| Good work Thingy! EDIT: Also, http://www.sendspace.com/file/ergs83 |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 26 2008, 02:30 PM | ||
I fell off a ledge and kept falling and falling and falling |
| Posted by: Mecha the Slag Oct 26 2008, 02:34 PM |
| so yeah Thingy, your engine needs a major update. I mean, like 6th one I dunno, the one where you can't jump, my block somehow made it across the hole it's supposed to fall into, and I couldn't suicide. |
| Posted by: Yoshbert Oct 26 2008, 03:09 PM | ||
Whoops, I forgot to fix that. In the meantime, press Space to restart the game. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 26 2008, 03:11 PM |
| Mechabowser, press R, I can't remember whether I said that or not... |
| Posted by: Littlink Oct 27 2008, 03:13 PM |
| http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223968 And there we go |
| Posted by: Wolfgator Oct 28 2008, 01:13 AM |
| cool, the size limit is colossal though. |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 28 2008, 01:37 PM |
| Here's an update. I would like to implement a boss soon, but I need ideas. EDIT: whoops, forgot to actually attach the file. |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Oct 28 2008, 02:00 PM |
| I didn't get to enter this due to computer failure... damn... |
| Posted by: Elyk Oct 28 2008, 09:35 PM |
| anyone have a suggestion on how to make this not suck after the 4th room? If not I guess this will have to be final :( http://www.box.net/shared/e7j4mgx79s |
| Posted by: Yak Oct 30 2008, 02:20 AM |
| Okay! Here is mine an Jlhgomez's entry! Credits to Girrrtacos, lingomaniac88 and VGmusic for sounds and music! and Knight Nappese or Darkyoshi for the snowy tileset! http://rapidshare.com/files/158911620/Raph5.zip |
| Posted by: SuperCapeMario Oct 30 2008, 02:44 AM | ||
Good game, but it doesn't feel very lonely... |
| Posted by: Jlhgomez Oct 30 2008, 02:52 AM | ||
Yep I know >_> |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 30 2008, 03:01 AM | ||
Hey, um... This isn't an entry, it doesn't fit the theme in the slightest. |
| Posted by: Jlhgomez Oct 30 2008, 03:04 AM | ||
I knew this... Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak... |
| Posted by: Yak Oct 30 2008, 05:19 AM |
| Lol... Well we did want to program the game over screen to be more lonley but we didn't have enough time..... |
| Posted by: Thingy Oct 30 2008, 01:59 PM | ||
That's like the theme being red, then making a normal game with a red game over screen. |
| Posted by: Elyk Oct 31 2008, 06:06 AM |
| it ends today |
| Posted by: kremling Oct 31 2008, 12:18 PM |
| I have till midnight right? |
| Posted by: Elyk Nov 1 2008, 05:01 PM |
| Entries: Hello - http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223430 Yak & Jlhgomez - http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223031&view=findpost&p=3169335 Elyk - http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223031&view=findpost&p=3168126 Thingy - http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223031&view=findpost&p=3167417 Littlink - http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223968 Yoshbert - http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?showtopic=223031&view=findpost&p=3164866 RedEchidna - http://www.mfgg.net/index.php?act=resdb¶m=02&c=2&id=16516 anything wrong with this list? if not we might as well start the top 5 |
| Posted by: RedEchidna Nov 1 2008, 08:13 PM |
| Yeah You misspelled my name  |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Nov 1 2008, 08:22 PM | ||
Which will make people not vote for you. |
| Posted by: Elyk Nov 1 2008, 09:18 PM | ||
better? |
| Posted by: LocoRoo Nov 2 2008, 04:32 AM |
| Elyk Thingy Littlink Yoshbert RedEchidna |
| Posted by: RedEchidna Nov 2 2008, 08:18 AM | ||
Yeah, that's better. |
| Posted by: Thingy Nov 2 2008, 01:05 PM |
| Two of the entries don't fit the theme... So there are 5 entrants including me. I vote for Elyk Littlink Yoshbert RedEchidna And Hello so that there's 5. |
| Posted by: Littlink Nov 2 2008, 04:28 PM |
| Elyk RedEchidna Thingy Yoshbert Hello |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Nov 2 2008, 05:39 PM |
| Elyk Littlink Yoshbert RedEchidna Thingy How the hell are yak's and Hello's entries lonely? |
| Posted by: Elyk Nov 2 2008, 06:23 PM | ||
and you would expect MFGGers to know lonely |
| Posted by: Soiyeruda Nov 3 2008, 07:07 AM | ||
Depends how you define lonely. Hello's entry seemed to be lonely in the sense that Bowser lost all his army, making him lonely at first. Then, he wasn't lonely looking for new troops. I haven't played Yak's. |
| Posted by: Keyser Soze Nov 3 2008, 06:05 PM |
| So we need to start the final voting correct? |
| Posted by: Yoshbert Nov 3 2008, 06:06 PM | ||
We still need to iron out the top five. |
| Posted by: Elyk Nov 3 2008, 07:42 PM | ||
If no one else votes the top 5 would be Elyk Yoshbert RedEchidna Thingy Littlink (this is not a vote) |