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Posted: Jul 13 2006, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (Klobber @ Jul 13 2006, 10:19 PM)
I'm not even sure why this debate needs to exist...doesn't everyone here know what constitutes a "minigame"? A simple little fun timewaster sort of thing?

That's what it's about. People don't think minigames should only be allowed, especially since people were accepting full games in some of the previous compeitions.
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QUOTE (Kramer the Bird @ Jul 14 2006, 03:03 AM)
Ah, no. The past is very relevant. See, because full games have always been allowed in these minigame competitions, it goes to show that the slippery slope argument of "If you allow for huge games then people will stop participating" doesn't hold true.

I wasn't the one arguing that point though - my argument was stating that a short game, and a long game both remain incomparable to eachother, giving the short entry a handicap. Not to mention that the "games that are longer that were once in the past submitted" were the submissions that recieved the most votes, which only furthers the point that it's unfair to the multitude of members who don't have time to make a lengthy entry.


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Posted: Jul 13 2006, 10:25 PM
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I haven't seen any progression in your argument aside from "seriously, get over it". How pedantic can you be? We stated our reasons, now don't disregard them - address your own.

I'm not being any more "pedantic" then you. Go look at your posts. It's basicly what you're saying. I stated reasons too and yet you disregarded them.

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It has a much better chance obviously, and it's not that it'd win really, it's that it would scare people to not enter.

Hardly. It's just as bad as another game looking really good.

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Except not really. Also, did you consider that maybe it could also help to limit the size? The people who tried to make full games for this time's competition didn't finish in time, so if we made a limit on size, people could actually get their entries in. Are you even considering any of this? You don't sound like you thought this over very well.

Yet, they didn't finish. So why are you complaining about how they would win if they don't finish? You don't sound like you thought this over very well.

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Because those obviously don't determine the quality of them. Bigger games tend to keep people interested in them more then a minigame, and obviously there could be a wide variety of different levels and such, compared to someone else who tried using a minigame as an entry. Maybe you don't see it as a problem, but if you were in the shoes of those who are actually still entering these, you'd have a little more of a understanding of why this raises a problem.

Just because I haven't entered lately does not mean I don't understand you. It sounds more like you're trying to insult me more then prove a point.


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QUOTE (SNF @ Jul 13 2006, 09:20 PM)
You completely Ignored my point regarding your point...

You're saying that People won't enter a Full-game competirtion.. because they don't have enough time?

THERE IS NO FULL GAME COMPETITION!
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There, Now you see, as my Capitalized text clearly States, your point with this is.. well, Pointless and Irrelevant, As we are discussing the rules on making the Minigame Competitions fair to all entrants, Keeping them Mini-game sized keeps with the spirit of the Competition.

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You don't read a single line of text do you? I'm not explaining my point to you again.


You're right there is no full game competition!

But there isn't a huge demand for full games in minigame competitions either! The rule is pointless!


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Except it kind of does, since earlier they were not really being made as much, but now lots of people are trying to do them, and I think you can see there was a huge decrease in people entering. And it's not only that, it's also that people who try to make the big games sometimes just can't finish and give up, after discouraging others, which kind of happened this time. I don't really see what's wrong with people being required to do minigames. Is originality dead or something? Must everyone do a full lengthed platformer?


The competition theme is what should be inspiring originality, not limitations on the type of game you should be allowed to make. Also, I hope we're not being unfair toward platformer-type games here. Some platformers can be short and fun... at the same time, some "minigames" might have incredibly complex coding but very few levels. Suppose, for example, Toni's "Mario & Yoshi" were entered into a minigame competition. Should it be allowed?


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Posted: Jul 13 2006, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE (King Bobo @ Jul 13 2006, 11:25 PM)
But there isn't a huge demand for full games in minigame competitions either! The rule is pointless!

What's the harm in the rule, then? So long as people are lenient about it, such as allowing a game that's 2.5 MB, or bending the rules for something that's clearly a minigame but has MP3s, complex and concentrated coding, or something.

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Posted: Jul 13 2006, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE (Admiral Delmore @ Jul 13 2006, 09:20 PM)
and thank you for suggesting that I shouldn't enter because of how you see all of this. I'll totally take that into mind.

Well if you can't accept being competed against, then you shouldn't enter a competition. It's really just common sense.


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QUOTE (SNF @ Jul 13 2006, 10:20 PM)
You completely Ignored my point regarding your point...

You're saying that People won't enter a Full-game competirtion.. because they don't have enough time?

THERE IS NO FULL GAME COMPETITION!
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There, Now you see, as my Capitalized text clearly States, your point with this is.. well, Pointless and Irrelevant, As we are discussing the rules on making the Minigame Competitions fair to all entrants, Keeping them Mini-game sized keeps with the spirit of the Competition.

Thank you and Good Night.

According to Delmore's logic you shouldn't be even talking. I don't see any mini-games of yours.


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QUOTE (King Bobo @ Jul 13 2006, 10:25 PM)
But there isn't a huge demand for full games in minigame competitions either! The rule is pointless!

Have you actually checked? People are making them as their entries a lot, and one is in the top four entries this time. And I just thought of something when Mario Gamer said like "DOES IT MATTER ABOUT THE SIZE OF DRAWINGS OR THE POSES IN SPRITES". Yes, it actually does. If the drawing is too small, like the size of a sprite, then that's obviously not allowed, and pose wise, no it wouldn't matter, if it was done in like Photoshop instead of hand pixeled or the sprite was just too big, yes it'd matter. These things matter, and I know you think it doesn't, since you don't even think it's happening, but it is.
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QUOTE (Mario Gamer @ Jul 13 2006, 11:28 PM)
According to Delmore's logic you shouldn't be even talking. I don't see any mini-games of yours.

i was planning on entering the Previous, but i had Stuff to do.

I have a Demo.


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QUOTE (Mario Gamer @ Jul 13 2006, 10:28 PM)
According to Delmore's logic you shouldn't be even talking. I don't see any mini-games of yours.

You obviously don't understand my logic, since I didn't even say that. I said to SP that it'd be hard to understand since he hasn't entered, not that he gets no voice. Don't start being a jerk like that.
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QUOTE (Admiral Delmore @ Jul 13 2006, 10:28 PM)
If the drawing is too small, like the size of a sprite, then that's obviously not allowed, and pose wise, no it wouldn't matter, if it was done in like Photoshop instead of hand pixeled or the sprite was just too big, yes it'd matter. These things matter, and I know you think it doesn't, since you don't even think it's happening, but it is.

These examples are not even close to comparing big games to small games.


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QUOTE (Golem @ Jul 13 2006, 09:26 PM)
What's the harm in the rule, then?

There's no harm in the rule at all! I've already said that I didn't say that it shouldn't be a rule. It's just the way it was suggested in the beginning. Several little arguments started from there.

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QUOTE (Mario Gamer @ Jul 14 2006, 03:25 AM)
Just because I haven't entered lately does not mean I don't understand you. It sounds more like you're trying to insult me more then prove a point.

No, Delmore's thinking inductively. Your posts suddenly hold a drastically less amount of merrit because of this:

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I might have time to finish. Maybe it should be extended a week?


All bets are off though.

You specifically stated that you had no time to finish your entry because of 'work', or what I like to call 'life'--something the members arguing against me seem to be completely disregarding. So you still think it's fair that you might have time to release a compact, short minigame, while another member who may not have 'work', releases a game with an astronomical filesize?


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QUOTE (Mario Gamer @ Jul 13 2006, 10:31 PM)
These examples are not even close to comparing big games to small games.

But that didn't stop you from comparing them earlier, did it?
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It just seems very odd to me to allow full games in a competition specifically labelled as a "minigame comp". Full games aren't mini-games. The competition is about mini-games.

It's not really an issue of whether or not someone can get a full game done in the limited amount of time, it's the fact that full games are very different from mini-games. That's why I don't think they should be allowed. Either that or change the name of the competition, because when I look at a mini-game comp I'm expecting to find stuff along the lines of Mario Party or Kritter's theme park fangame.
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QUOTE (Admiral Delmore @ Jul 13 2006, 09:28 PM)
and one is in the top four entries this time.

Really? Because I played all of them. And noticed nothing. If you're referring to the Wario Ware game, I do believe that you're being a bit unfair about that. Since the minigames are so simple, Littlink's game wouldn't be much without more than one.


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QUOTE (Gyiyg Strikes Back! @ Jul 13 2006, 10:32 PM)
You specifically stated that you had no time to finish your entry because of 'work', or what I like to call 'life'--something the members arguing against me seem to be completely disregarding. So you still think it's fair that you might have time to release a compact, short minigame, while another member who may not have 'work', releases a game with an astronomical filesize?

First off, my entry this time was going to be what you call a mini-game anyway. But I wouldn't expect you to know that. We were only talking about adding more time because there weren't 5 entries. If there was I wouldn't have brought it up.


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QUOTE (King Bobo @ Jul 13 2006, 10:35 PM)
Really? Because I played all of them. And noticed nothing. If you're referring to the Wario Ware game, I do believe that you're being a bit unfair about that. Since the minigames are so simple, Littlink's game wouldn't be much without more than one.

So just because they're simple excuses the fact that his entry is a minigame collection?
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QUOTE (Admiral Delmore @ Jul 13 2006, 10:32 PM)
But that didn't stop you from comparing them earlier, did it?

I was talking about your photoshop logic there.


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