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> Don't judge a book by it's cover., A rant on graphics in games.
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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE (Tri @ Apr 3 2007, 01:10 PM)
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and if there's one game that demonstrates how much of a lie your sheepish "YOU HAVE TO BE ON ONE SIDE IN THE GFX VS. GAMEPLAY WAR, GET OFF THE GODDAMN FENCE RIGHT NOW YOU GODDAMN FRENCHMEN" mentality is, it's this:

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face it, the whole reason you're so vocal about it is because nintendo has you convinced that you've got to always be on your toes for them

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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 02:47 PM
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Just because one system can produce better visuals than another does not automatically indicate that graphics are the only selling point it has and that gameplay is always sacrificed.

Also, way to go off the topic of graphics while you criticized the other consoles, and not exactly in the most non-biased way either. The PSP uses disks, the DS uses really small cartridges that can be easy to lose. The Xbox 360 has games like the DOA game, and it also has games like Viva Piņata.

EDIT: Wow, the title really makes the first post look hypocritical.

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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 02:51 PM
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Let's end this thread right now.

You wouldn't play a game no matter how good the story is if the graphics sucked ass.

To be fair, what makes a good game is good graphics and good playability, i.e. if I can control my character, and how fun it is to do the things I do.

Plot should be an afterthought in what makes a game good.


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 02:52 PM
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Good graphics should replaced with good art direction/design.


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 02:57 PM
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Gameplay is very important to a game, but also graphics and the overall look of the game itself. Sure, you can say it looks fun, but your also going to need to represent it in some form to attract people for them to even play the game. Wind Waker, example. I personally LOVED the art style and look of it very much, but not many fans would touch it because it wasn't the Zelda style people were familiar with in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Wind Waker played like a dream, but it's Celda look drove alot of people away, sadly. To sum it up, Graphics are JUST as important as gameplay.
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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 03:01 PM
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I like how people who pass themselves off as "artists" are usually the ones that fail to realize that games have art elements of their own, and must work together for the piece to kick ass

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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 04:42 PM
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To sum it up, Graphics are JUST as important selling point as is gameplay.
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  Posted: Apr 3 2007, 05:11 PM
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I love the fact that if you were partial and loved the PS3, you wouldn't be complaining about any of this.



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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (Joey @ Apr 3 2007, 02:51 PM)
Let's end this thread right now.

You wouldn't play a game no matter how good the story is if the graphics sucked ass.

To be fair, what makes a good game is good graphics and good playability, i.e. if I can control my character, and how fun it is to do the things I do.

Plot should be an afterthought in what makes a game good.

Chrono Trigger. Plot is good, graphics are meh.

Screw you, plot comes first. :p

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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 05:59 PM
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The cover is the first impression that a book is going to make.

Decent visuals are important for sales. It is the first thing the consumer is going to see before they make their purchase. You don't always get to try the game before you buy it after all.

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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 06:04 PM
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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 06:06 PM
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Graphics and gameplay have to work hand in hand. If it's some descriptive detective game thingy, graphics might not be as important. But most other games are tons more effective and fun with good graphics.


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 06:06 PM
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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 08:39 PM
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I do not play games for graphics, no, but if a game has good graphics, is it so bad I stop and drool for a bit? Seriously, Gears of War is so damn pretty, I love it.

let's face it, graphics matter. And Pac-Man sucks, Tetris is better.


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  Posted: Apr 3 2007, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (Klobber @ Apr 3 2007, 04:04 PM)
I like games that have good graphics and good gameplay huh.gif

Yeah, same here.


I dis-like when people say that apparently a game is unable to emit both great graphics and great gameplay at the same time.


Today's modern discs have enough memory to allow that.


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 09:04 PM
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Commonly i read the back.According to what i think you should have no problem with finding a game with good graffix.It's the 7th generation 128 bit era.
Try looking for what games you like or has a good plot.
Handhelds support graffix between a certain console and another even though the ds has more 2D games excluding 16 bit handhelds.So same applies you won't find very smooth polygons.(soft doesn't count)


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Klobber @ Apr 3 2007, 11:04 PM)
I like games that have good graphics and good gameplay huh.gif

NO SUCH THING, HERETIC!


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (Dann Woolf @ Apr 3 2007, 03:39 PM)
OK, so first of all: I have nothing against graphics, if they're used well. A game which looks good and plays good is alright in my book. But a lot of "games" only sell well because of how they look. Plus, what really drives me mad are people who look at a game once and drop it because it looks bad. So, as a publicly-asked question to those people...

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

You don't play games for pretty pictures! Tetris for the Game Boy! The best-looking thing was the title screen! And no-one gave a damn, because it was a fun game! Pac-Man! Still played by people worldwide! And the main character is a faceless yellow circle!

PlayStation 3. 600 Euros? DAMN! I could buy a DVD player and a stack of films for that cash, and end up with roughly the same experience!

XBox 360. The grey area between the black PS3 and the white Wii. But it keeps swerving towards the former too often. Dead or Alive XTreme 2, anybody? Yeah, there's pretty girls in bikinis playing beach sports. That's not a game, it's a softcore hentai film.

Wii. Wario Ware, and VC classics to prove my point... We have gameplay, we have innovation, and the graphics aren't the major selling point. Microsoft, Sony, you could learn a lot from the Jolly Japanese Giant.

PSP: What's funny is the only good games for this are Nintendo games that people illegally emulate on this. Plus, long console is loooooong. And discs? On a handheld? Bad idea, Sony.

DS: Oh man this proves the point of this rant like no other. There's games for everyone from 5 to 95. The graphics aren't as good as the PSP's, yet more people go for this instead. Free online service, plenty of great games, and it actually fits in your pocket like a handheld's supposed to.

Now, I know you graphic wh**es can't read this, what with your heads being firmly lodged up your assholes and all, but listen here: If graphics are all you care about, take that console back to the store and get a DVD player instead.

If you're going to present a structured argument, you could do without reeking of bias and adding in retarded **** like "long console is loooooong lolzrolfbbqinthehood."

Seriously, I get where you're coming from, but your console by console breakdown is just goddamn silly.


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 10:09 PM
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But wait Thunder

All those games you listed are PC available too (which is what i prefer)


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Posted: Apr 3 2007, 10:47 PM
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For the 360-PC games you need a really awesome $1000+ PC to properly play the games, so buying the 360 for them is cheaper and/or better if you prefer using the 360 controler, which I do.


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