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Posted: May 1 2007, 04:54 PM
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Is it just me, or do governments have problems fighting wars against words?
The War on Drugs...failure.
The War on Poverty...failure.
The War on Terrorism...EPIC failure.


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Posted: May 1 2007, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (Dann Woolf @ May 1 2007, 11:03 AM)
Christians should just accept that not everyone wants to follow the word of Jesus.

Christians don't kill people because they don't believe in Jesus. That's the thing.


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Posted: May 1 2007, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (Coelacanthus @ May 1 2007, 04:02 PM)
Atheism is in itself a sort of religion.

That's like saying "having no money is actually having money because you have $0!"

...That analogy sucked because it compared atheism to poverty, but you get the idea. Atheism is just a non-belief in deities, period. For it to be a religion, it would have to be a system of faith with various doctrines of belief.


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Posted: May 1 2007, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (Coelacanthus @ May 2 2007, 12:38 AM)
Christians don't kill people because they don't believe in Jesus. That's the thing.

You're not, per chance implying that every last single muslim in the world is a crazed suicide bomber?

Because you're pretty good at it.


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Posted: May 1 2007, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (Captain Jeff Silvers @ May 1 2007, 05:52 PM)
That's like saying "having no money is actually having money because you have $0!"

...That analogy sucked because it compared atheism to poverty, but you get the idea.  Atheism is just a non-belief in deities, period.  For it to be a religion, it would have to be a system of faith with various doctrines of belief.

I don't know how to properly respond to that,so I'll just link to someone who does.

@ Binky: I'm not implying that every Muslim is a Crazed suicide Bomber, but unfortunatly, most Crazed suicide Bombers are Muslims.

Okay, maybe I'm not. I'm just ticked because people keep comapring Crazed suicide Bomber Muslims to Christians.

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Posted: May 1 2007, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE (Binky @ May 1 2007, 07:01 PM)
You're not, per chance implying that every last single muslim in the world is a crazed suicide bomber?

Because you're pretty good at it.

He isn't implying that.

Nowhere did he mention what religions do kill unbelievers. I'd assume he was referring to the specific subclasses of Muslims that do that.


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QUOTE (Coelacanthus @ May 1 2007, 06:01 PM)
I don't know how to properly respond to that,so I'll just link to someone who does.

@ Binky: I'm not implying that every Muslim is a Crazed suicide Bomber, but unfortunatly, most  Crazed suicide Bombers are Muslims.

Okay, maybe I'm not. I'm just ticked because people keep comapring Crazed suicide Bomber Muslims to Christians.

That link made so little sense it isn't even funny. It had my brain running in circles.

btw, comparing religion to color is pointless.

@Grant: Did you know that slave owners believed that they had every right to own slaves because the slaves were apparently "Decendents of the sinful son of Abraham?"

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Posted: May 1 2007, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (AppleQueso @ May 1 2007, 08:14 PM)
@Grant: Did you know that slave owners believed that they had every right to own slaves because the slaves were apparently "Decendents of the sinful son of Abraham?"

That doesn't mean religion was the cause of the war, any more than people trying to justify Nazi persecution of Jews by citing religious motives would have made World War II be caused by religion. Religion wasn't what caused people to own slaves in the old days of America; they wanted slaves because it was convenient and profitable. They just tried to excuse themselves by citing religion.


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QUOTE (Coelacanthus @ May 1 2007, 06:01 PM)
I don't know how to properly respond to that,so I'll just link to someone who does.

The only people who claim that atheism is a religion are the crazy paranoid fundamentalists who think that we're all infiltrating the public schools and spreading our filthy message to all the Christian children and turning them into communists and homosexuals.

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Posted: May 1 2007, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (Captain Jeff Silvers @ May 1 2007, 05:52 PM)
That's like saying "having no money is actually having money because you have $0!"

...That analogy sucked because it compared atheism to poverty, but you get the idea. Atheism is just a non-belief in deities, period. For it to be a religion, it would have to be a system of faith with various doctrines of belief.

but aren't you believing in the belief that there is no god or omnipotent beings

we could debate this for entire MINUTES huh.gif


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Posted: May 1 2007, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (LuigiFan @ May 1 2007, 07:34 PM)
but aren't you believing in the belief that there is no god or omnipotent beings

we could debate this for entire MINUTES  huh.gif

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Posted: May 2 2007, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE (Coelacanthus @ May 2 2007, 07:02 AM)
Atheism is in itself a sort of religion. War is never going to end.

Atheism is the rejection of religion. It is a philosophical stance.

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Posted: May 2 2007, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE (Grant @ May 1 2007, 04:24 PM)
As for World War II, nobody can seriously say that the Nazis were religious.


Nazis were religious.

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I don't know how to properly respond to that,so I'll just link to someone who does.


I noticed he relates it to the "colour" black; but he seems to mismatch physical objects that reflect all light (black paint on a car) with the idea that when we see no colour we see black. Also I'm guessing this guy is a reverent or bishop or concerned Christian parent; ka-yawn. EDIT: Just noticed the "Rev." before his name on the link :>

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...the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.


He doesn't seem to have actually read anything about the Theory of Evolution as it does not rule out the idea of a God; many Christians believe evolution is God's tool of creation and prefer it to the idea he just magically creates things without establishing nature etc etc.

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QUOTE (Hippoman @ May 2 2007, 09:15 AM)
Nazis were religious.

What on earth? Of course they weren't.

Just go ahead and tell me what religion they belonged to. If they had any religious pretensions whatsoever, it was only for the sake of making their cause appear more justified. They did nothing out of real religious motives.

P.S. If anyone believes any absurd myths about the Nazis being Catholics (I'm not sure such myths exist, though ones do exist about one or more Popes being sympathetic to Nazism, which they decidedly were not), they need to be reminded that Hitler was a major persecutor of Catholics, flagrantly breaking the concordat he made (obviously not out of devoutness or conviction) with the Pope.


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QUOTE (PirateQueen @ May 2 2007, 01:51 AM)
Atheism is the rejection of religion. It is a philosophical stance.

More like Ahteism is a thing Atheists brag about to show how amazingly cool they are even though 90% of the people who are officialy christian or whatever don't believe in god or the bible anyway.

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nazis were catholic


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QUOTE (Almosthome @ May 2 2007, 12:58 PM)
nazis were catholic

Did you even read my post?

Or are you just trying to be provocative?


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QUOTE (Grant @ May 2 2007, 06:21 PM)
What on earth? Of course they weren't.

Just go ahead and tell me what religion they belonged to. If they had any religious pretensions whatsoever, it was only for the sake of making their cause appear more justified. They did nothing out of real religious motives.

P.S. If anyone believes any absurd myths about the Nazis being Catholics (I'm not sure such myths exist, though ones do exist about one or more Popes being sympathetic to Nazism, which they decidedly were not), they need to be reminded that Hitler was a major persecutor of Catholics, flagrantly breaking the concordat he made (obviously not out of devoutness or conviction) with the Pope.

Real religious motives? What are you on about?

Of course they were real, they believed that was the true way. It is not in any way different from the phenomena we are seeing in the middle east nowadays, where small children are thaught a skewed, wrong and heavily edited version of islam.

Get off your high horse. Much of Hitler's power came from the power of the church. He was both the highest political leader and the highest religious leader.

They were religious, and yes they were christians. It may not have been a form of christianity that you consider pure or true. But it was one.


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QUOTE (Grant @ May 2 2007, 12:04 PM)
Did you even read my post?

Or are you just trying to be provocative?

haha oh wow nazis killed jews THEY MUST BE THE ANTI CHRIST

except they were really anti semithistic or whatever cool2.gif


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How the hell did this turn into a discussion about nazis and religion?


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