Amount of global terrorism increases 25%, In the past year

By "real religious motives" I mean that they weren't doing what they did out of a conviction based on religious faith. You say they were, but you haven't come up with an ounce of proof. Nazism was based primarily on an ideology of racial superiority; religious elements were added to it to make it look pure and justified. Hitler's own behavior shows clearly that he didn't care about religion; he wanted power for himself. And there's no doubt in my mind that at least some of his followers were motivated similarly by selfish motives rather than pure ones. Nazism wasn't really associated in a fundamental way with any religion; it was a secular movement. Some may have considered themselves religious, but that wouldn't justify a statement like "[all] Nazis were Christians" or "[all] Nazis were Catholics" (especially not the latter, since Hitler rejected various Catholic tenets and persecuted the Catholic Church). And one cannot say that religion is to blame for the crimes of the Nazis if religion wasn't the original motivating force behind Nazism, which it wasn't.

Also, what do you mean by "much of Hitler's power came from the power of the church"? What church are you talking about? It was certainly not the Catholic Church, if that's what you're thinking; that sounds like just the sort of thing that could have been made up by the slanderers who said Pius XII was "Hitler's Pope" (he actually aided a lot in the fight against Nazism).

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This thread has gotten so far away from the original topic. Please get back on topic and stop fighting about religion and Nazis.

This post has been edited by Joey on May 2 2007, 03:57 PM

You're right. Sorry about that off-topicness.

If Binky wants to reply to my last post, he can do so through a PM.


On-topic, I don't really have much to say other than that I doubt we are any safer.

...I don't know if we are safe...I don't know if I care.
All I want to know is what happens when it gets to %100

World War III.

What a nice, sweeping generalisation of atheists.

Upon reference to your example of Christians not believing in God or the Bible, technically, those "Christians" are Atheists.

Of course, I could label myself a Christian and not believe in God. A label is a label.

This post has been edited by PirateQueen on May 3 2007, 01:37 AM

Baptism, communion, etc.