Hitlist included me, at my school

A BUNCH OF KIDS GOT SHOT AT SCHOOL?

WE SHOULD BAN BULLET PROOF VESTS!

Well, that's our school for you, mate.

This is the same logic behind TEENAGE GIRLS ARE GETTING PREGNANT!? WE SHOULDN'T GIVE THEM CONDOMS!

Thereby encouraging them to have more sex, sex, sex, and making it quite possible for them to get pregnant again on account of condom failure. Instead of at least attempting to get to the root of the problem by trying to convince them that having sex at that stage of their life is a bad idea, and trying to do something to combat the increasing unreasonable obsession with sex in modern society.

I might be sounding absurdly idealistic, but the ONLY way the problem of teenage pregnancy will actually be gotten under control (obviously it wouldn't go away completely by any means, as it has always existed) would be if the incredible obsession with sex that has become part of our culture, as exhibited by the dirty TV shows, filthy popular music, and various advertisements today, were removed. Teenage pregnancy is rampant in places like England, and somehow I can't see that being because nearly all those teenagers were not using condoms (condoms seem to be very strongly promoted there, from what I've heard). Condoms have quite a noticeable failure rate, and that failure rate is the cause of children being born whom their parents don't want. In times like the 1800's, teenage pregnancy, as far as I know, was not a very common thing (it seemed to be a thing which excited great shock). Those were also times when the mindset held by the promoters of abstinence, reviled by so many people today, was prevalent. Condoms didn't exist back then, and the problem of teen pregnancy was surely much lesser.


(Incidentally, I don't feel like arguing further about this unless it happens somewhere else than in this topic. I don't like the idea of people getting ticked off about this being off-topic.)

oh I see, and I'm the one with the "dumb logic" here.

To whom is this reply directed?

Dont go there mate! xD j/k
To nobody in specific, just to these who poped-out with even a stupider answer than mine.
Oh wait this is now about teenage sex?

1. Condom failure rates are greatly exaggerated by pro-abstinence groups.

2. Even if abstinence is encouraged, condoms should still be distributed to teenagers. To not do so on principal would be like shutting down a designated driver service that caters to underage drinkers; you're not saying "this is okay to do," you're saying "if you're going to do this, don't be a dumbass about it."

OK, never mind about the other-topic thing. Since you replied, I assume it's acceptable to post here. (If it's not, I'll transfer the discussion elsewhere, or you can if you prefer.)


1. I would like to see evidence of this. I don't see "pro-abstinence groups" as having a reason to lie.

2. Regardless of the intentions of condom distributors regarding the message they want to convey to teenagers, their action in promoting condoms would most likely produce the message in the minds of the targeted teens that it's OK to have unlimited sex as long as they use a condom. The message you say the distributors should convey is one of resignation, of saying, "If you must have sex, then you're allowed (provided you use condoms)"; and most teenagers, in a typical fashion, will most likely take advantage of this and do whatever they can get away with to the max, going by the letter of the law if it suits them. So if for this reason they have unlimited sex while using condoms because the people in charge are saying they are allowed, condom failures kick in, unwanted children are born, the teen pregnancy problems continue, and there you are.

If, on the other hand, society's obsessive interest in sex were somehow gotten rid of, leaving only a healthy interest in it, then abstinence programs would be far more effective. And abstaining from sex, of course, reduces the risk of the people involved having an unwanted pregnancy on their hands by 100%.

This is the second topic I've seen in the past week that has turned from one thing to something else about morality or religion. The two most of the time go hand-in-hand.

As an observer, I'm asking this ridiculousness stops, because the thread is now way off of the original topic. In any other thread, it would be locked.

Create a new thread about this, make this one go back on topic, or lock it.

This is retarded.

This post has been edited by Joey on May 8 2007, 10:12 PM

jeff can probably split the topic

EDIT: or fanguy

This post has been edited by LuigiFan on May 8 2007, 10:15 PM

Yes, that would be a good idea.


Sorry, Joey. I should have just taken it to PMs, but I didn't think of that at the time.

Don't apologize to me just because I'm the only one who's *****ed about it in this thread.

Good point. Sorry to everyone else too.

I'll just let this go back on topic, even though I think the majority of the discussion has made me lose a few brain cells.

As for the girl, I hope she gets proper therapy for this and allows herself to open up about whatever was troubling her so they can give her the help she needs.

Since you say this girl was emo/goth, and she left the note in a teacher's mailbox, she probably wants attention and won't actually do anything. Maybe she just needs a hug.

I spent a few pages saying this, and it was pretty much rebutted with "NU UH."

I didn't read much of this thread, so... I guess I'll just say I agree then.

Even if it is fake, you have to treat the threat in case of a bigger incident happening.

Same friend had a prank pulled on him boy my friends Tibi and Nyssa--they wrote "I want to blow up the whole school" on his writing assignment, and, Eric being the idiot that he is, didn't see it and turned in that assignment. Fortunately, he and Tibi only got a three-day suspension.

Idiots. :p

PS--to pre-empt those who would call me a liar, I'll even have Eric or Tibi tell you about it.

This post has been edited by Player 2 on May 9 2007, 07:25 AM