Bowser's Incompetence: Yay or Nay?

What kind of point is this supposed to make?

Did Bowser like take over the Wimbeldon dome or something in a Mario Tennis game? Or I am I not missing anything?

I dig the comical version of him. I mean just look at Bowser. Can you take that seriously to begin with? He's a big turtle dragon with bright red anime hair* and a dog snout. I think it would be kinda dumb if they took him too seriously.


*OMG Akuma ((

This post has been edited by Mr. Aforcer on Sep 13 2007, 10:21 PM

no, he became like this because of the spin-offs. RPGs focus on story, in the story are characters, and each character needs a personality. It was then used again in other RPGs and other spin-offs. Not many platform games can focus in like that.

Bowser is a constant major character in every Mario game, though, so you can compare Bowser with the Space Pirates or perhaps even with Ridley (created by the Space Pirates). There are even cases when Samus and the Space Pirates are, relatively, on the same side when faced with a major opposing force or villain despite the fact that the Space Pirates will set their sights on you once the major problem is dealt with.

Not to mention, the Space Pirates are hilariously incompetent in a lot of cases, according to Prime (and, arguably, Zero Mission, like when the Space Pirates try to latch onto your ship when blasting out of the Pirate facility)

I really do not get the point of this topic.

To me Bowser was always a goofy goon of a villain. D:

Also what was with the axe just sitting there to cut the bridge on smb. Why didn't he cut it himself instead of letting mario past him?

Old but true.

I'll be interested to see Galaxy, since it's seriously looking like he's the bad guy.

I like the comical Boweser. He can still be a great villain and stupid at the same time. It makes him more likeable.



Maybe even loveable.

I agree, entirely.

I like Bowser being the main villain, but I like his idiocy as well. It keeps him from being just another badguy. Leave the serious evilness to others.

Q U O T E:Klobber,Sep 13 2007, 06:37 PM

I kind of like that he's more of a comic relief character because he's honestly not very interesting otherwise. He really didn't have any sort of personality in the older games beyond "rar I'm evil"

I absolutely agree.

I think baby bowser used the clown car in M&L2 also. And it rocks cuz SMW's boss fight was awesome 8(

Yea I like goofy Bowser, and I think he never came off that way originally because Nintendo focused on making a RADICAL game instead of 'deep story'!! So nowandays he seems buffoonish! (that's a real word?)

What I don't like is when he's completely neglected or has some easy boss battle. Both Paper Mario games portrayed Bowser really well, and I can't wait to see everything he does in Galaxy.

I loved it when Count Bleck forced Peach to marry Bowser for the Chaos Heart and Bowser was all for it. "Princess Peach~ <3"

I liked the old Bowser, but now that I think of it, Bowser has always been a comic relief. The only game he has not been one was in SM64 where he really was kinda evil.
Just think: in SMB you remove the bridge that holds him and he's walking in mid-air, like in a cartoon.
in SMB3 Bowser stomps himself into death
in SMW.. well that was KINDA evil and serious.
in SMW2, he was the Jr version which we have no problem with, right?
only in SM64, Bowser seemed to have an evil plan and also felt really evil, also he was talking in an evil way and all that stuff.
And in SMS, you defeat Bowser sitting in a bathtub..
And after that, they just increased his comic-relief personality.

However, I'm happy how Luigi seems to turn back to his old self in SPM in the beginning where he doesn't hesitate to attack Bowser and Bleck in the beginning sequence... (Got the game yesterday, so dunno how he'll act later on)

This post has been edited by Guinea on Sep 14 2007, 04:04 AM

Everyone knows that clowns are pure evil.

Just look at the Joker.

The mario has a deep and compelling storyline where bowser should play a large part as the evil mastermind, dumbing down the series like this instead of making them more serious is rather odd by nintendo. As a series progresses, it should mature, not only gameplaywise, but storywise too.

Look at sonic for example. The story has gotten better with each installment of the 3d series, unfortunately, the gameplay isn't even close to the story.

I hope nintendo wises up and makes a more mature and sophisticated mario for us all.

Mental image of Ridley and Ganondorf sharing a klown copter.

This post has been edited by Elly on Sep 14 2007, 04:50 AM

At this point, it's a 14 person tie.


I love the goofy bowser. He's still awesome when he comes out of nowhere and ruins you XD. (Paper Mario 2)

Bowser is better as a comic relief, methinks, because he just doesn't work as a villain anymore. I don't think that even half of the Mario fans want to see the original-styled Bowser, like this:
Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario defeats Bowser, Peach is rescued, Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario defeats Bowser, Peach is rescued, Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario defeats Bowser, Peach is rescued, Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario defeats Bowser, Peach is rescued, Bowser kidnaps Peach, Mario defeats Bowser, Peach is rescued... You get my point, don't you? All I'm saying is, that the Mario series truly needs some comical relief apart from some other funny sidekicks and such. Don't always complain about how Bowser is stupid, how Peach is a... you know, how Luigi doesn't get his own game (except Luigi's Mansion and kind of, MIM) and such. I don't think Nintendo will change Bowser much, so let it be like it. But, I kind of see your point, and... Maybe I'll stop my ramblings for now...

People are complaining that Bowser's a giant goofball, but if he can effing headbutt you into next Tuesday, I'd rather watch my mouth than to suffer that kind of ass-kicking.

He's a meathead. Sure, he's got some degree of intelligence (he has to, he's a king), but for him to be as bumbling as he is makes him likeable as a major villain compared to those that the game makes you absolutely loathe by the time you get to his lair, i.e. Yggdrasill, Ganondorf, etc.