You guys think Wavedashing will be in Brawl?

It's not even the most commonly played stage.

There's an item switch. You can do whatever you want with the game. How are you sultan of determining how a game should be played?

And it has characters that people of equal skill level will go even. Just because competitive play doesn't allow Pichu to win doesn't make it absurd. There's obviously enough variety that makes a lot of people play the game regardless of there being bad characters.

Which sums up to every character in the game not being DK. --- Given that the 3 races in starcraft take different build orders and amounts of unit control to win...

That only exists if you have a starman and a bunny hood.

But I guess if you disagree with it because the party aspect is taken out and the fact that there are some characters that can't compete against the better ones, then cool. It's just annoying when you make things up to make it sound worse than it is, or slander an entire community of people that are obviously having fun with what they're doing.

WRONG. All dodging in the game is exactly that, a DODGE. When you are in a DODGE state you do not take damage that is the very POINT.

Why are you getting into technical fisticuffs with each other when the game is not yet out?

Still... you described something that doesn't exactly exist. You get 0 frames of invulnerability during the WD =P.

I agree.

So uh guys the topic is over because wave dashing not in Brawl as what's his name posted?

This post has been edited by PSI Guy on Dec 25 2007, 09:32 PM

Like so many of our cohorts here you are beyond my help

I don't want to get into this, but honestly you have to be really ignorant, if you don't realize how that statement makes no sense.

Balance does not equal skill. Balance is dependent on Character Selection. If two players who have been playing Smash for the same time and have the exact same gaming experience but one chooses the more "powerful" character and wins, we're is the balance in that?

And two competitive level player's are playing same situation as before, except that one uses the less "powerful" character, and this time the less "powerful" character won, that in turns show's us that skill is what ultimately decides the winner in the battle, not weather or not the game is balanced.

And you should more clearly define what you mean by

Balance = Skill > Character Selection.

I take this as Balance is SKILL and both those combined are more important than character selection.

Wavedashing isn't the most important thing in the game last time I checked.

Find some other way to beat your opponent.

I like wavedashing, my li'l bro can't land a single hit on me. =D

Peach's wavedash was the speed of a cow, but otherwise I get it. The better reason would be that it you could basically do anything out of a wavedash compared to just running. (Wavedash into fsmash, grab, etc)

Anyway no since air dodging doesn't give that momentum boost anymore that was needed to slide across the ground.

This post has been edited by Blizzard on Dec 29 2007, 01:57 PM

I meant-
Balance = ( Skill > Character selection )
Too much programming where the = sign is assumed to make the left LHS and right RHS of the equation... didn't expect the confusion, sorry =].

In turn, it's what you said, but me being unclear made what I typed make no sense =x. And any logic I could've been following with your assumtion would've been crazy XD.

Anyways, what I'm getting at in the end is the fact that with the options it opens up, it makes the game more balanced just due to the fact that it creates more options and counters for even less blessed characters to take advantage of. More options and counters take the edge off of race/character advantages in any game, and pushes it more towards the ability of the player to manipulate a situation. It's good fun to know that the game is constantly able to expand by players countering new tactics, keeping it fresh even if competitive play to an untrained eye looks like robot work.

I'm pretty sure Pikachu in SSBM wouldn't be near as effective at high level play as I can play him right now if that move wasn't around to give him counters to certain tactics the better characters can employ. I'm not saying it makes or breaks anyones game in general, but it certainly doesn't make it less fun.

At the same time, high level play isn't important to a large number of people. I mean, smash is one of the best party games ever made. There's been rare times where I'd had more fun playing any other game with a group of friends than Smash Bros. Of course having a bunch of things that take a lot of concentration to learn isn't going to be fun for people playing smack'em up brawls, it's crazy. But in my opinion its the ability of a game to appeal to all crowds and continously expand in complexity (Beyond a random movement trick) even after people play it competitively for years is what takes a great game to a grand level.

Dunno why I said all that though, just what I'm getting at.. is.. don't hate XD.

This post has been edited by Anther on Dec 30 2007, 03:54 AM

It could be considered a glitch, so they'll fix it up. Hope the other cool glitches stay, though.

good lord are you guys still debating the existence of wavedashing which it was confirmed there is no wavedashing

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Oh gosh no. Somebody give me faith in myself again.

yeah i decided to stop trying too

It's pretty known its not in brawl Dracos =p. I was arguing the distaste for competitive smash.

Atleast you can still Waveland if they don't take it out by time it's released.

Wait what you cant do directional air dodges in Brawl? BUT THAT WAS SO USEFUL!

Dude, wavedashing is as bad as, for example: strafe/rocket/jumping and plasma climbing in Quake 3.

Infact wouldn't it be great if they could remove that ****ing bug from ioquake?

WDing is as bad as powersliding in Mario Kart 64 >.>