You guys think Wavedashing will be in Brawl?

Wavedashing is as bad as pleveling in MMOs! thank god most MMOs take precautions so you can't powerlevel rly fast.

Power leveling in MMO games defeats the purpose of the game, which tends to be a linear progression. Adding a technique to your arsenal in a competitive setting that isn't game breaking at all doesn't ruin anything and made it better for people that like matching skills with people across the nation.

Just because you said something pretty outlandish I'm going to paste a post about why it isn't, and see how you take it or care.

Sure this goes outside the scope of the original question.. yet again... but there's just so many pointless things said out of ignorance just because it's named and some random a-hole appears and says he got beat by it.

People makes claimes such as-

But yeah, I'm sure you guys are hating me for posting this stuff. But I just plain don't like people hating or speaking against stuff for no reason other than heresay. I mean, it sucks to see something discriminated against because it looks or sounds similar to something else. =].

Am I upset Wavedashing isn't in brawl? No, just upset at people that think it's the factor that makes the game ... ridiculous or something like that.

This post has been edited by Anther on Jan 3 2008, 08:38 AM

Aaah not really.
I can't play mmos without pleveling or referring to guides where the best drops/leveling is. Should I explore instead?
:V
Also yes, wavedashing is no big deal, but it sure does look cool. There's this guy I know who can beat snakers in MKDS, without snaking. He never snakes.

I don't hate you. I find the whole deal about using 'terrible glitches' to win is lol. If both sides can use this 'glitch', whats the big deal?

Edit: I'm also sorry if I make a bit of outlandish statements now and then. I simply get ahead of myself.

This post has been edited by Elly on Jan 3 2008, 08:43 AM

Whoops then. I think I made an assumption about what you were getting at and replied like that for no reason =P.

And I sorta lied about thinking Pleveling destroying games... just so we could touch bases XD. I think taking games apart and being as effective within the rules the game's set up is extremely fun >.>.
And I'm going to make an excuse for myself and say that I've been up for 24 hours, so definitions and contexts of what people are saying might get destroyed the moment it ends up in my brain...

And since I typed this up anyway >.>

Edit: Thanks for not hating me XD.

This post has been edited by Anther on Jan 3 2008, 09:05 AM

idk, fupoo plays often with heavy karts, and it seems he often wins.

Then maybe I'm wrong about its impact then XD.
Edit: I guess overall skillz and stuff will prevail in the game over the technique... But I do remember gaining quite a distinct advantage at certain points vs other peeps..... like the ending stretches... but its not too hard to learn to do at those points if you're looking for a small advantage at those points of the racse.

This post has been edited by Anther on Jan 3 2008, 09:25 AM

It doesn't exist!

Idk, it feels like the game basically teaches you how to do it.

Like, with the "Do X powerslides in this and this level".

Except powersliding is an actual tactic. Wavedashing is just an exploited glitch.

Edit: Ack, Ylle beat me to the punch sdfh

But no seriously, powersliding in Mario Kart is actually something that was intended to be put into the game. Same goes for snaking in the later games. Not everyone can do it, but it's simple enough to do without being labeled as cheating.

Wavedashing on the other hand, while it can help those who use it properly and hurt those who misuse it, it requires impossibly fast button-pressing that people with insane dexterity can pull off. More inexperienced players call it cheating because it isn't an official tactic, and they're often bested by players using realistically weak or slow characters who use this (though my brother's a wavedash user and I've beaten him in-game a few times though he uses it often).

This post has been edited by Nicholas Ainsworth on Jan 3 2008, 10:29 AM

Btw guys, Wave dashing doesn't instantly make you better.

You can still beat the **** out of people in ssbm even if they're WDing..

Just like you can beat people who are snaking in MKDS.

Some combos in Melty Blood require quite alot of dexterity and training :V

The dexterity required is to press 2 buttons and a stick at once. It's not really that demanding. It's some muscle memory, but so is any speed related ability in video games. It took me some practice to pick up and practice the concept of Power sliding. (Which requires the exact same buttons presses as WDing ... humorously...) Even if it wasn't intentionally put into the game, it doesn't really matter because.. it is in the game... doesn't break it at all.

You can say statements very similar that to describe music styles, people, religions, and cultures... I'm not trying to get too deep, but when I see wavedash, I see tactic. Just because it isn't in the manual doesn't mean it's bad.

Read my post above about tennis if you care to =p.

I mean seriously, replace Wavedashing in your last paragrah with Powersliding, and take out a couple biased words.

Edit: Again... I think I might be picking at something because I'm getting loopy XD... But you did say exploited glitch. Not sure if you meant it in the context of the Topic title or in response to anything else. But yah, it's within the rules of the game, everything about it's logical within the engine... and doesn't hurt anything.

This post has been edited by Anther on Jan 3 2008, 10:52 AM

Done and done.

Except it doesn't make a lot of sense, because powersliding doesn't require the level of speedy dexterity that wavedashing requires. All you really do is press the R-trigger and move the control stick left and right until you get red EEEEEEEs (MK64) or blue sparks (MKDD/MKDS).

hmm o.o. I think dexterity is a bad excuse to knock this. Especially since you're pressing 2 different buttons with 2 different fingers at relatively the same moment... while holding the stick diagnally downward o_O.

You're also holding the A button during a powerslide, and what if you have to shoot an item :p. It's not 'speedy' dexterity, but still... tis a video game.

Mmmm, it's not outside the realm of the dexterity of anyone that's interested in learning it. There are far more muscle memory demanding tasks that take place in any a majority of fast paced fighting games... I don't think it's too mean. Once it's learned, you don't think about the motion. Kind of how you don't think about powersliding after a while... you just see that it's done, while your fingers did all the work.


Aaaannnndd....
I meant moreso the first sentence XD.

You're gonna crash into walls when you first learn it, and there are people that'll complain about the input required to pull it off... doesn't make it less of a tactic. ... Cept I don't want to draw in what I said in my previous 3 posts right here again about the legitimacy of it being a tactic....

Edit: Actually... what I just said right there doesn't make sense. It should be like, You'll crash into walls for a bit, but then you won't.
Kinda like Wavedashing. You'll do it badly at first, but then you won't >.>.

It looks more complicated because you're combining it with other elements of teh game, that'll only flow better through experience... and I really am confusing what and why I'm talking about now. =(...

Am I just arguing that it's not a glitch with you though D=? Because I can't argue that anymoreso than the fact that it doesn't break anything and fits within the rules of the engine. But it can still be considered a glitch, so.. meh.

This post has been edited by Anther on Jan 3 2008, 11:19 AM

My argument was more on whether or not it was a glitch. It doesn't really break the game and I've seen those who use it regularly play skillfully with it. I've tried it myself a few times and have pulled it off, but the speed at which I'd have to move the control stick and press R for that is a bit extreme for me to be using it on a regular basis.

tourney***s who wavedash dont play with items

Thanks for calling a whole group of people, myself included ***s for no reason.

This post has been edited by Anther on Jan 4 2008, 07:14 PM

How can you even compare Wave Dashing to Mario Kart's Power Sliding? WD is a glitch, whereas PS is a feature deliberately put into the game to be used. Abusing the two are different things, therefore. Abusing WD means you're glitching the game to avoid attacks, defeating the purpose of a fighter game where speed has very little place. Abusing PS means sliding up and down the track to increase your speed, in a game where speed matters. The sole difference is that PS was meant to be in a game, and WD wasn't.

And yes, WD breaks the boundaries of the game.

Bowser. You aren't particularly speedy so you can't dodge worth anything, but if you get close enough your opponent might as well be hit by a train.

Take away the first element and now you're an invincible demon that can nimbly hump your way across concrete.

?! Yeah it doesn't work. I still don't get characters like Fox and Cpt. Falcon, who are insanely fast AND powerful, but there you have it. It all boils down to "video game morality" in a sense. Use what's meant to be used, and if you're going to glitch, do it when you aren't playing for competition.

This post has been edited by Pucifur on Jan 4 2008, 09:58 PM

I dont usually wave dash, but once I was bored, so I did, and I TOTALLY OWNED MAH FOE. I can say wafedashing is too powerful, and needs to be removed, even if at the cost of directional air dodges being removed as well