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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (kirbyhi5 @ Mar 17 2008, 05:38 PM)
What do you mean " I don't understand the nature of the problem"?
I have manually fixed all my PC problems myself with XP, ( And yes there have been a dozen). I'm the only one in the family who actually uses the PC to it's full limits( As in, having to sometimes use the cmd prompt because internet was down or xp wouldn't login, or whatever the problem was.

Honestly I think either you are too picky or too obsessed with xp. If my computer was running slow, buggy, infested, annoying, I would have already fixed it.

It's true. I did get alot of messages. But I simply disabled them and hotfixed a few broken parts I didn't see fit and it runs perfect.

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 05:42 PM
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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 05:42 PM
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Alright you can say what you want. Vista isn't terrible-horror ridden like everyone claims if you know what you are doing.


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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 05:44 PM
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that post is missing a "think you" somewhere in it


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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (Lightning @ Mar 17 2008, 06:44 PM)
that post is missing a "think you" somewhere in it

what


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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE (Lightning @ Mar 17 2008, 05:44 PM)
that post is missing a "think you" somewhere in it

it's functioning fine, it isn't slow, I can do everything I did with xp on it, plays all my same games(even better), loads faster, and overall to my interest.

you really aren't backing your response up with anything knowledgeable so it's probably ideal you stop since it seems you can't bring up any valid points. =/

kthxbye(you sorta leaning towards trollish status now)

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 07:00 PM
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I'm sorry it's just that I've explained Vista's shortcomings to this community ad nauseum and don't really feel like doing it *again* but whatever

it is also hard to explain exactly to what I like to call "Microsoft® Power Users™"
people who think they're hot stuff and know all they'll ever need to know about computers from using some "advanced" features in MS Windows.
For one thing, using the command prompt is not pushing your computer to the limit. A command-line interface, while it has the potential for greater flexibility than a graphical user interface, is still nothing more than a way to run programs on your computer. Windows' command prompt isn't even that good when compared to UNIX shells, but I don't even need to get into that here.

I like to think that I have a good idea of how Vista is. I've used most of the builds that were available since even the early leaked Longhorn builds, up through the public betas, the release candidates, and the final version. I got to see it grow. I followed the development and got to see what features they had planned, what features were left out, and which problems never got addressed. Upon its final release, I couldn't come up with anything but disappointment, really. It had a lot of potential, if only by Windows standards, but still, they dropped the ball.

Then there's the issue of the "Content Protection" included with Vista. The best way I can describe this to the common person (at least the common person who is familiar with Sony's rootkit scandal) is: the industry discovered that the users wouldn't take too well to malicious code that would come on, say, a music CD. So, to compensate, they found a way to make sure it was on the computer before the consumer even buys it.
Lots of people here know that Vista is DRM'd (digital restrictions management) to the core. Microsoft implemented a way to protect "premium content" so that things like Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, etc. multimedia wouldn't be able to be copied. To do this, Vista requires all sorts of crypto hardware on each component of the PC in order to keep the data encrypted all the way until it reaches the screen/speakers themselves. This, of course, drives up the cost of hardware in order for it to be "Vista Compatible." Previously, graphics card manufacturers didn't have to worry about cryptography so much as, you know, graphics. Vista will lock down certain of its features if it is installed on a machine with hardware not conforming to its draconian copy-protection scheme.

I could/should/probably will go on but I have to eat brb

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE (Lightning @ Mar 17 2008, 07:00 PM)
I'm sorry it's just that I've explained Vista's shortcomings to this community ad nauseum and don't really feel like doing it *again* but whatever

it is also hard to explain exactly to what I like to call "Microsoft® Power Users™"
people who think they're hot stuff and know all they'll ever need to know about computers from using some "advanced" features in MS Windows.
For one thing, using the command prompt is not pushing your computer to the limit.  A command-line interface, while it has the potential for greater flexibility than a graphical user interface, is still nothing more than a way to run programs on your computer.  Windows' command prompt isn't even that good when compared to UNIX shells, but I don't even need to get into that here.

I like to think that I have a good idea of how Vista is.  I've used most of the builds that were available since even the early leaked Longhorn builds, up through the public betas, the release candidates, and the final version.  I got to see it grow.  I followed the development and got to see what features they had planned, what features were left out, and which problems never got addressed.  Upon its final release, I couldn't come up with anything but disappointment, really.  It had a lot of potential, if only by Windows standards, but still, they dropped the ball.

Then there's the issue of the "Content Protection" included with Vista.  The best way I can describe this to the common person (at least the common person who is familiar with Sony's rootkit scandal) is: the industry discovered that the users wouldn't take too well to malicious code that would come on, say, a music CD.  So, to compensate, they found a way to make sure it was on the computer before the consumer even buys it.
Lots of people here know that Vista is DRM'd (digital restrictions management) to the core.  Microsoft implemented a way to protect "premium content" so that things like Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, etc. multimedia wouldn't be able to be copied.  To do this, Vista requires all sorts of crypto hardware on each component of the PC in order to keep the data encrypted all the way until it reaches the screen/speakers themselves.  This, of course, drives up the cost of hardware in order for it to be "Vista Compatible."  Previously, graphics card manufacturers didn't have to worry about cryptography so much as, you know, graphics.  Vista will lock down certain of its features if it is installed on a machine with hardware not conforming to its draconian copy-protection scheme.

I could/should/probably will go on but I have to eat brb

Through all this wall of text you really aren't explaining any key issues as to why Vista fails completely. You are just basically saying it isn't compatible with some software/devices and high protection. Also, I didn't say I was pushing the computer to it's limit just based on using the cmd prompt. There were far more cases but it would be too tedious to name them all and it's not a crucial part of the argument. The information you named is just making it look bad for anyone who is trying to pirate/illegally copy/transfer data.

Also please don't give me a bunch of information from wikipedia. I want to know how you personally felt about Vista and what made you revert back to XP.

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE (kirbyhi5 @ Mar 17 2008, 07:10 PM)
Through all this wall of text you really aren't explaining any key issues as to why Vista fails completely. You are just basically saying it isn't compatible with some software/devices and high protection. Also, I didn't say I was pushing the computer to it's limit just based on using the cmd prompt. There were far more cases but it would be too tedious to name them all and it's not a crucial part of the argument. The information you named is just making it look bad for anyone who is trying to pirate/illegally copy/transfer data.

Don't give me a bunch of information from wikipedia. I want to know how you personally felt about Vista and what made you revert back to XP.

um xcuze me sir I typed that all by myself ^_____^ (I'm a big boy!)
also I am not done with that poast as I said at the bottom


"The information you named is just making it look bad for anyone who is trying to pirate/illegally copy/transfer data."
wrong



also I did not revert back to XP by any means I was on windows server 2003 (XP-ish) for a while and then I stopped using microsoft windows altogether


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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (kirbyhi5 @ Mar 17 2008, 04:10 PM)
The information you named is just making it look bad for anyone who is trying to pirate/illegally copy/transfer data.

that's because it is bad for anyone who is trying to transfer data
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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE (HardMan @ Mar 17 2008, 07:13 PM)
that's because it is bad for anyone who is trying to transfer data

yea i know that. By that I meant, how is that a problem for someone who simply daily uses the computer besides compatibility issues. As far as I know, all my software/programs work with Vista, and in time everything will be.


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