I don't know who to be anymore

I'm normally too busy battling to notice them being tired.
I'm not the kind to sit still doing nothing. I'm constantly moving.

And really, Baconson, you're basing how good you are, basd on whether you win or not. That's something you never do. It's like saying you suck at football, just because someone else beat you. The problem seems to be that you want to win really bad. You want to try to find people that are around your level, which you seem to have a hard time doing.

This post has been edited by Soiyeruda on Apr 20 2008, 06:20 PM

theres a difference between losing and losing all the time

Well, when you play do you like to dodge alot or run around and attack at openings or just attack like crazy and hope to win, because how you play is important when selecting a character to play as

Well Pokemon Trainer is my main and since that is one of the weaknesses of the character I pay attention to it. And Baconson I had that same problem today. I was even losing to the CPUs with the PT. I was just having a bad day.

This post has been edited by Ed Packard on Apr 20 2008, 09:33 PM

There's also a difference between giving up, and learning. Whenever you lose, you gain experience, try again, and see if you do better. If give up, then you aren't getting anywhere. Here's what I suggest. Fight a level 9 computer. If you can beat it, you'll have a chance at beating the tough players out there. A level 9 computer tends to dodge alot, and only attack if you leave yourself open, Something I've done in our battles. Never give up. I almost gave up on defeating Delmore, but I eventually did it twice in a row (No, it wasn't by luck x_x). Same goes for you. Fight people of your level, and don't pick a fight with some random person, unless you know your own ability.

@Ed Packard: I'm fully aware that is his weakness, but that's the last thing I want to worry about with PKMN Trainer. If you worry about tired PKMN, then that's you. With me, I fight to the death, really. I don't waste even half a second to check my pokemon panting, because I tend to launch my attacks really fast. Here's my normal usage of each:

Squirtle: 35%
Ivysaur: 65%
Charizard: 10%

This puts stress on Ivysaur, but I don't care, because I normally use razorleaf anyhow. I assume you try to use them equally.

This post has been edited by Soiyeruda on Apr 20 2008, 09:50 PM

I don't know. Supposively their attacks get weaker but I never realize if they really do.

And my usage is about the same as yours, only I usually use Squirtle more. Charizard is strong, but his slowness irritates me. I like speed so I use Squirtle mostly. And Razorleaf is a weak move to spam. If I spam with Ivysaur I spam his exploding bulb thing a lot. I like to take chances when people are rolling around me. Sometimes I get a lucky hit and then they are gone. (assuming that they had some damage of course)

This post has been edited by Ed Packard on Apr 20 2008, 10:00 PM

Razor Leaf isn't THAT weak. It does around 5 damage, which is about the same as a boomerang at its max range! And it's actually fairly versatile, in that it leaves openings. Also, which exploding bulb thing? Ivysaur has like, 3 of them!

Luck is a very small factor, and luck is not something you should rely upon the most. Trying to hit someone rolling around you is a very weak tactic, in that you'll most likely get hit yourself.

What you need to rely on is your skill to cause damage and throwing your opponent off guard.

Also, here's antoher player that could help you:

Link: My technique revolves around launching every bit of artillery at my opponent, which actually will leave tons of openings. I only attack up close if they come up close.
Here's a breakdown.
Arrow: Fly fast and mostly straight.
Bomerang: Can be shot at many different angles, and can set you up for a finishing blow, because the return will bring opponents closer to use if they are in contact with it. Use in conjunction with the arrow to throw the opponent off guard.
Bomb: The slowest of the 3, but definately can throw someone off guard.

Random.
And focus on items instead of moves.
Or Meta Knight.

I didn't mean that was the only thing I do. And I usually do that when other people are fighting each other. (The one when he is just on the ground, forgot to specify) But anyway, I try to do the same thing with Link. He use to be my main but I change to the PT.

This post has been edited by Ed Packard on Apr 21 2008, 06:53 PM

Master the Pikmin toss.

Piss off family, friends, coworkers and more.

In all seriousness, you just gotta keep putting time into the game, Blizzard probably isn't the best person to practice against though since like Delmore, he's pretty damn good.

Before I started brawling online, I never even bothered to guard on the ground or in the air, same for rolling and throwing but now I feel like I'm getting a bigger grip on the game every week.

Watch how others play and try to take away what you can from it.

This post has been edited by Dr. Chaos on Apr 21 2008, 08:41 PM

Exactly! What you see on the battle field, you learn to apply to yourself too.
But make sure you actually fight people of your level. Only fight the big players if you know what you are doing.

I'll give some advice on what I have learned from the SSB games and so forth, not sure if it will help, but hey. Better to try then not to try.

Learn to guard, roll, and dodge

The most important element of the game, or close to it. Is the many forms of dodging and guarding.

You know there is plenty of ways to dodge, right?

Well, there are many ways to form into those dodging tactics. First of all, try to get used to rolling, as it can be quite a convienient way of moving too. Running rolls are excellent ways of doding and fooling your foes. Also try to watch your enemy closly, so you know when to roll accordingly. It's actually tough to master, but pratice with it for awhile. Just simple rolling will do, pratice for awhile. In training mode untill you see you can adjust to it and your opponent. Also try to master dash rolling, as it can be a good trickery or just convienient to the situation.

Air dodging can be very useful for dodging thrown items as well as avoiding critical moments or just when you can't overwhelm your foe in air.

Also mid air doding(mid jump + air dodging) can help fool your foes too.

Learn to guard as best as possible, but guarding too much can lead to trouble. Although it can help you in two ways: avoid damage.

Avoiding damage and countering.

Although guarding too much can make you predictable and we all know where that
leads.

Make yourself difficult to predict and make counter measures!

There are many ways to approach with every character, from mid jumping tactics, to dashing tactics, among many more.

Don't use the same approaching manuever over and over, otherwise they'll catch on quickly and turn you to rubble. Close range tactics should also differ, as this could create different combos, depending on the same move. Don't depend on the same move over and over, as people learn around it quickly and throughly.

By making several different stragedies, you can be hard to predict, making you more difficult to take down then what you would if you just repeated things continually.

Also remember you might need to create alot of stragedies for air hits, among people rolling past you and of course counter attacks.

Speaking of which, when I say counter. I don't mean like Marth's down special or something.

There are many ways to counter moves, slow fallers do it best. Although you'll have to be quick even with slow fallers.

Bascily, a counter is: you get hit, and you hit them right back.

There are two types: ground and air.

Ground is more suitable for more heavy, fast falling characters like Wolf or Bowser.

Air is more suitable for more light or slow falling characters like Luigi and Jigglypuff.

Best to explore in many possible ways though, as this technique is far from easy I'd say.

Learn the ranges of your attacks!

This isn't a thing alot of people do apparently.

Several moves of many characters have odd ranges, which are pretty difficult to master.

Good example Mario's up air can be a more long range move then his forward air, atleast in terms of straight length infront of him.

Alot of moves have strange ranges from time to time, best to explore with them to learn the absolute benefit of them.
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That's really what I have learned over time, try some stuff out.

I hoped this helped.

Try to function with this for several characters too. Praticing all of these takes time so be patient and try out some characters.

This post has been edited by Zae on Apr 22 2008, 07:15 AM

Maybe it's not that you don't have a main--maybe you just suck at Brawl. You need practice.

Wolf...is NOT A CLONE!
Just his special and moves and Final Smash.
His A moves are different, which is most of the moveset!

If that is the case the best thing that can be learned is timing.

My Trainer usage is about
40/20/40 with Squirtle, Ivy, and Charizard. With Ivysaur what I like to do is use his B move. Get an enemy close, and hold the button until he stops using bullet seed, that racks in a good 40-some damage.

However, bullet seed is hard to use in that if you miss, it leaves you wide open!