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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (Grant @ Jun 6 2008, 10:10 PM)
You're being far from logical here.

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But if he had a serious form of autism, that would have made the offenses diminutive in comparison to what they would have been if a non-autistic student did them.

No. Autism is not a ****ing excuse for this at all. Autism does not make people completely ignore being told to stop, being sent to the principal who told the child to stop acting up, etc. Autism doesn't do what you apparently think it does.

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I sincerely doubt many/any people here, judging from what they've posted, understand what it's like to be severely autistic, which they'd necessarily have to understand in order to make the statement "the kid was horrible, autism didn't make it any less bad". I don't understand it either, but at least I recognize that it COULD (maybe, maybe not) have made him have much less control over himself than non-autistic people have.

Autism does not affect control over yourself. Remember the support group I mentioned I went to in an earlier post? I met many people there who authentically had autism, and they behaved fine.

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Incidentally, no matter how dense the parents may have been, that doesn't make them more guilty in this case than the asshole teacher.

The teacher wasn't an asshole. The teacher tried to get the kid to stop in every way possible, until she had had enough.

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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (123James @ Jun 6 2008, 08:10 PM)
As much as I seriously hate reliving the humiliation type punishments throughout the numerous times in my life I'm going to have to say those are the ones that work the best. And the fact that they only used it as a last resort gets them brownie points from me as well.

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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE (Chippermonkey @ Jun 6 2008, 09:10 PM)
I'm still waiting for the people who say, "BUT HE WAS AUTISTIC, IT WASN'T HIS FAULT!" to realize that they didn't know that until after the event described.

The whole thing was stupid to begin with so that doesn't matter.
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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 6 2008, 11:17 PM)
No. Autism is not a ****ing excuse for this at all. Autism does not make people completely ignore being told to stop, being sent to the principal who told the child to stop acting up, etc. Autism doesn't do what you apparently think it does.

I'm not just taking your word for it, that's for sure. Give me a source of some kind, or I'll just discard that bold assertion of yours.

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Autism does not affect control over yourself. Remember the support group I mentioned I went to in an earlier post? I met many people there who authentically had autism, and they behaved fine.

Doesn't sound like their autism was nearly as severe. Did this seriously not even occur to you?

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The teacher wasn't an asshole. The teacher tried to get the kid to stop in every way possible, until she had had enough.

That's just ridiculous. Of course she was an asshole. A Grade-A one. No matter how impatient she became (and she really shouldn't have become that impatient anyway, but should have considered whether the kid had a mental problem), that would still have been no excuse to do an utterly nasty and traumatizing thing like that.


Oh, by the way, I think you were the one who said this earlier!!
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The autism could have helped him, but autistic people can still choose to do things, you know.

Sounds an awful lot like what I just said. The autism could have helped him. Making him not as blameworthy.


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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:37 PM
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This topic showed me that 67,5% of MFGG has autism.

Is that a ****ing standard to like Mario games or something?


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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (Grant @ Jun 6 2008, 10:30 PM)
I'm not just taking your word for it, that's for sure. Give me a source of some kind, or I'll just discard that bold assertion of yours.

Doesn't sound like their autism was nearly as severe. Did this seriously not even occur to you?

Since you seem to not even know what autism does, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore.


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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:42 PM
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I'm just glad none of the people here are teaching kindergarteners!
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QUOTE (Admiral Delmore @ Jun 6 2008, 10:42 PM)
I'm just glad none of the people here are teaching kindergarteners!

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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 6 2008, 11:41 PM)
Since you seem to not even know what autism does, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore.

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You have to show me that autism doesn't do what I'm saying it does. I'm saying that it might have such an effect, you're saying it definitely doesn't. All you're doing is asserting things, and if you'll refuse to give any evidence and instead just choose to act insufferably condescending, then you're the one whose posts about this don't deserve attention.

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QUOTE (Grant @ Jun 7 2008, 06:45 AM)
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You have to show me that autism doesn't do what I'm saying it does. I'm saying that it might have such an effect, you're saying it definitely doesn't. All you're doing is asserting things, and if you'll refuse to give any evidence and instead just choose to act insufferably condescending, then you're the one whose posts about this don't deserve attention.

Maybe you'd like a link to Wikipedia!?


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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 6 2008, 10:41 PM)
Since you seem to not even know what autism does, I'm not even going to bother arguing with you anymore.
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Other symptoms in young children include the following:

    * Avoids cuddling or touching
    * Frequent behavioral outbursts, tantrums
    * Inappropriate attachments to objects
    * Maintains little or no eye contact
    * Over- or undersensitivity to pain, no fear of danger
    * Sustained abnormal play
    * Uneven motor skills
    * Unresponsiveness to normal teaching methods and verbal clues (may appear to be deaf despite normal hearing)


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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 6 2008, 10:43 PM)
You're such a card, Delmore.

I know, because everything is big joke to you!
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QUOTE (Cloud @ Jun 7 2008, 06:46 AM)

* Avoids cuddling or touching



That's not autism! That's HOMOSEXUALISM!


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QUOTE (Grant @ Jun 6 2008, 10:45 PM)
You have to show me that autism doesn't do what I'm saying it does. I'm saying that it might have such an effect, you're saying it definitely doesn't. All you're doing is asserting things, and if you'll refuse to give any evidence and instead just choose to act insufferably condescending, then you're the one whose posts about this don't deserve attention.

Why don't you just go look it up? You don't go barging into a topic and make points if you don't know what the damn disorder even does.


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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 6 2008, 10:47 PM)
Why don't you just go look it up? You don't go barging into a topic and make points if you don't know what the damn disorder even does.

See my above post.


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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 6 2008, 11:47 PM)
Why don't you just go look it up? You don't go barging into a topic and make points if you don't know what the damn disorder even does.

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Not long after, they learned the roots of the youngster's problems - their son had autism, a syndrome that affects the ability to relate to others and communicate in a normal way.

The article itself implied that autism had a lot to do with his problem. You called this into question, and therefore the burden of proof is on YOU.

EDIT: If you even did disagree with that at all. I'm still confused by the earlier thing you said, quoted in one of my above posts.

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* Avoids cuddling or touching
* Frequent behavioral outbursts, tantrums
* Inappropriate attachments to objects
* Maintains little or no eye contact
* Over- or undersensitivity to pain, no fear of danger
* Sustained abnormal play
* Uneven motor skills
* Unresponsiveness to normal teaching methods and verbal clues (may appear to be deaf despite normal hearing)

THANK YOU. You're the only one who bothered to research anything!

Yes, it does cause outbursts. However, the child does have some control over them, and I think he'd at least try to control them after being disciplined in nearly every way possible. It does cause some unresponsiveness, but repeated attempts do cause an effect. The kid was told what he was doing was wrong multiple times and didn't seem to even make an attempt to stop.

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* Avoids cuddling or touching
* Frequent behavioral outbursts, tantrums
* Inappropriate attachments to objects
* Maintains little or no eye contact
* Over- or undersensitivity to pain, no fear of danger
* Sustained abnormal play
* Uneven motor skills
* Unresponsiveness to normal teaching methods and verbal clues (may appear to be deaf despite normal hearing)

THANK YOU. You're the only one who bothered to research anything!

Yes, it does cause outbursts. However, the child does have some control over them, and I think he'd at least try to control them after being disciplined in nearly every way possible. It does cause some unresponsiveness, but repeated attempts do cause an effect. The kid was told what he was doing was wrong multiple times and didn't seem to even make an attempt to stop.

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A bit of a stretch, yes, but he could have been playing.


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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE (Cloud @ Jun 6 2008, 10:53 PM)
A bit of a stretch, yes, but he could have been playing.

That's quite a bit of an assumption, though.


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