Attention Atheists.

My argument is that the universe is accelerating, for which there is plenty of evidence as indicated.

First off, the article you linked is from 1956. We've made a few discoveries since then, mainly, the accelerating universe.

Yes, exactly. There are forces acting on it... pushing it, causing to to accelerate. These forces being mainly, negative pressure ("gravitational repulsion") caused by dark matter.

Temperature and entropy aren't exactly forces. They're measurements.

Of course nothing is certain except that there is evidence to show that it is speeding up. When dealing with something as big as the universe, of course we can't be 100%, but we have to go with what we're given, which is evidence that the universe is accelerating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Ia_supernovae#Light_curve

No. I'm not contradicting myself. I said if things were to be working as expected at a basic level (which they are NOT) it would be slowing down (which it ISN'T)

Any sort of force in the opposite direction could slow it down, yes.

The whole theory of a "big crunch" is really just based on our lack of knowledge regarding dark matter. As far as we know, dark matter COULD perform a switch, causing it to make matter deaccelerate ("big crunch") or accelerate further ("big rip"). However, as far as I've read (including the links you sent) don't really offer any evidence to show that it could or will. They even say

Well, okay, if that DID happen, yes, those would be the results, but what would cause this? What evidence is there to suggest this sort of switch could happen, besides "we don't know much about it" because that goes both ways. As far as the observable evidence we have (that I know of) dark matter wouldn't just randomly switch and cause things to head in the other direction.

if you read your own link...

I secede, FuzzMaster.

Partly because admittedly physics (much less any of the sciences) isn't my strong point, and partly because I'm afraid we're getting a tad off-topic.

But thank you for the enlightening debate. I learned some things that surprisingly contradict ideas I've heard muttered about Caltech and JPL (campuses which I regrettably spent too much time at in my childhood).

This post has been edited by Mrs. Aforcer on Jul 22 2008, 03:19 AM

dunno if this has been addressed or anything but

Just because we don't know the meaning of life or existance of such meaning, it doesn't mean it's automatically non-existant. Imagine the ability to detect xyz. That would be a sense, I believe. We don't know of this sense (unless I told you about it), because we are not capable of comparing this sense to something we have or possess the sense. It is otherise non-existant: unless we can look at this sense and define it, we will never be able to know of this sense. Likewise, there might be a meaning to life, but we cannot look at it from a creator's angle, so we can only guess what it is like.

tldr, just because we can't smell doesn't mean there isn't a scent

it's fine, i learned a bit myself

in b4 lock

Like lifning said, stop posting that

And just because we don't have the magical sombrero of Al Dante, which could be the only possible way to find Maglobo, the ancient water monkey that created Mexico, doesn't mean Maglobo doesn't exist.

But since when does that mean we should go looking for Him?

This post has been edited by ChaosEmerl on Jul 22 2008, 03:41 AM

LINK IS SO EDGY AND KEWL I WISH I CUD BE CLEVRR LIEK HIM

JUS LEEV HIM ALOEN GAIZ

This post has been edited by Mrs. Aforcer on Jul 22 2008, 03:40 AM

...My name is Robbydude.

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I was judging by your username.

Sorry, I figured addressing people by their usernames in an anonymous domain such as the internet was standard protocol. My bad.

Well you don't need to be mean about it

Pardon, but alot of people had already commented on how frustrating dealing with posts such as yours are in a serious discussion thread.

Please either contribute to the discussion at hand, or LURK MOAR. It's posts like yours that get threads locked before their due time.

Thus, inb4 lock is entirely needed!

Or maybe its just people not taking a joke.

I got your joke. It was just poorly placed and not very comical.

The question is why did space and time start existing.

For truly epic lulz.

Why not?

Why would nothing just become something?

If there's no such thing as space and time, can you think of anything else that exists?

Nothing's around, so there's nothing there to define any rules. If there aren't any rules, why shouldn't any arbitrary event happen as it damn well pleases?