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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (ChaosEmerl @ Jul 23 2008, 04:46 PM)
Well I believe there is probably no God, and if there was one, he definitely wouldn't be the God of any particular Religion.  And I live my life on the assumption that there's no God.

Does that make me an atheist or an agnostic?

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I don't see why it matters what you call yourself, as long as you know what you believe.


I thought what you technically are doesn't matter?

But for the record, that would be atheist. As you said you were before, and I never denied it.

Also, yes, what Draco said. Thanks, Draco.

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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Jul 23 2008, 04:48 PM)
do you accept the possibility of a god when you say this or not

you've admitted that it is possible for there to be a god. if you meant this, you're an agnostic.

if you didn't mean it, you're an atheist.

That was my point. There is always a possibility, for everyone. I can't imagine someone not accepting the possibility.

But oh well, let's not go on with this. It's a dumb argument. And extremely off-topic.

This is supposed to be a debate among atheists about how life began.


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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (ChaosEmerl @ Jul 23 2008, 02:56 PM)
That was my point. There is always a possibility, for everyone. I can't imagine someone not accepting the possibility.

This fits well with all of the other ignorant things I've noticed you say in this topic.



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But oh well, let's not go on with this.  It's a dumb argument.  And extremely off-topic.

This is supposed to be a debate among atheists about how life began.

We know how life began. The debate is on why it began that way.
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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 04:59 PM
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Now you're just splitting hairs and pointlessly trolling.

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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (ChaosEmerl @ Jul 23 2008, 02:59 PM)
and pointlessly trolling.

What does that even mean.

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and pointlessly trolling.

Do you want me to quote the particular ignorant passages for an expert analysis? I am speaking of specific things you have said, not your point as a whole.

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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 05:02 PM
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You can go ahead and point out every stupid thing I've said in this topic. I'm sure you'll find plenty, I say a lot of stupid things. But I don't see how you'll gain anything from it, and I don't see it contributes to the thread at all.

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QUOTE (ChaosEmerl @ Jul 23 2008, 04:56 PM)
That was my point.  There is always a possibility, for everyone.  I can't imagine someone not accepting the possibility.

But oh well, let's not go on with this.  It's a dumb argument.  And extremely off-topic.

Well alot of people don't accept the possibility. They're called atheists.

Also if it's so dumb, then why did you initiate it in the first place?

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Now you're just splitting hairs and pointlessly trolling.

Read as: "You found the flaws in my argument, so I don't want to debate anymore."

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QUOTE (Mrs. Aforcer @ Jul 23 2008, 03:03 PM)
Read as: "You found the flaws in my argument, so I don't want to debate anymore."

Lady-A already knows the lingo around here. Everybody does this when they lose an argument, especially when it's against an idiot like me, so it's good that she understands it by now.
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QUOTE (ChaosEmerl @ Jul 23 2008, 05:02 PM)
You can go ahead and point out every stupid thing I've said in this topic. I'm sure you'll find plenty, I say a lot of stupid things. But I don't see how you'll gain anything from it, and I don't see it contributes to the thread at all.

Pointing out stupid things that one has said is part of debate. If you "say alot of stupid things," don't debate.
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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE (Mrs. Aforcer @ Jul 23 2008, 03:05 PM)
Pointing out stupid things that one has said is part of debate. If you "say alot of stupid things," don't debate.

OBJECTION!

a lot*

with a space!!!

Your Honor, the Defense clearly is not fit for this case. They forget spaces.
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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Jul 23 2008, 05:04 PM)
Lady-A already knows the lingo around here. Everybody does this when they lose an argument, especially when it's against an idiot like me, so it's good that she understands it by now.

Well if you secede, say you secede or something synonymous. Don't cover it up with "Oh, well, this is a dumb argument. It should have never started. It's not my fault, jeez!" I just see it as cowardice through redirecting the blame.
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QUOTE (Mrs. Aforcer @ Jul 23 2008, 05:03 PM)
Well alot of people don't accept the possibility. They're called atheists.

Also if it's so dumb, then why did you initiate it in the first place?


Read as: "You found the flaws in my argument, so I don't want to debate anymore."

I didn't initiate the agnostic/atheist argument. It was the first person who said "I'm an atheist" and the next person who said "You sound more like an agnostic." My opinion from the beginning was that if you want to call yourself an atheist, go ahead.

Also, ok, you win. I lost the argument. What has anybody gained from it other than sore hands from typing up textwalls?

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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Jul 23 2008, 05:06 PM)
OBJECTION!

a lot*

with a space!!!

Your Honor, the Defense clearly is not fit for this case. They forget spaces.

Thank you. You have proven that I cannot spell. I'll start putting a space in there next time. That fixed, can you debunk any other part of my argument relevant to the topic thus disproving my actual idea, or merely prove that I cannot spell?

Also, for irony's sake, I'm going to major in English. Ha! Also, Draco, I mean this sarcastically, in the same vein your post was made, I believe.
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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (ChaosEmerl @ Jul 23 2008, 03:07 PM)
My opinion from the beginning was that if you want to call yourself an atheist, go ahead.

Sure, but you'll be ... wrong. :?

This is a similar problem to everybody calling me a bloody furry. I am not a bloody furry but the definition of it is by no means consistent or specific, so it's hell on earth to debate the point.
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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE (ChaosEmerl @ Jul 23 2008, 05:07 PM)
I didn't initiate the agnostic/atheist argument. It was the first person who said "I'm an atheist" and the next person who said "You sound more like an agnostic." My opinion from the beginning was that if you want to call yourself an atheist, go ahead.

No it wasn't. Here's some notable quotes from before:

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An agnostic is basically just a euphemism for atheist.


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If you feel confident enough to be opposed and hated by the fanatics of just about every religion in the world, call yourself an atheist. If you'd rather sit on the fence and suck on your thumb, call yourself an agnostic.


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I'm sure a lot of people just like the term agnostic because it kind of puts them at the top of the high chair.


Among others. None of these quotes have anything to do with defending the claim "if you want to call yourself an atheist, go ahead." Actually, most of them seem like attacks on agnostics, if I'm not mistaken. And that's where the whole debate began.

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Also, ok, you win.  I lost the argument. What has anybody gained from it other than sore hands from typing up textwalls?

Heck yeah I gained something more.
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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (Mrs. Aforcer @ Jul 23 2008, 03:17 PM)
None of these quotes have anything to do with defending the claim "if you want to call yourself an atheist, go ahead."

I must disagree. They are silly quotes, surely, but they are still related.

His statement was that atheist and agnostic were such related terms that which to use for someone was up to their preference. He restated this several times by basically claiming that the two were one in the same, with the exception that the term "atheist" sends up red flags among religious groups -- and that agnostics, in comparison, "sit on the fence and suck their thumb" -- figurative language for not being caught up in the religious war.

The third quote was entirely unnecessary, related or not.

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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Jul 23 2008, 05:22 PM)
I must disagree. They are silly quotes, surely, but they are still related.

His statement was that atheist and agnostic were such related terms that which to use for someone was up to their preference. He restated this several times by basically claiming that the two were one in the same, with the exception that the term "atheist" sends up red flags among religious groups -- and that agnostics, in comparison, "sit on the fence and suck their thumb" -- figurative language for not being caught up in the religious war.

The third quote was entirely unnecessary, related or not.

Fine. You win on that one. But I do think he said alot of things that were unnecessary to proving his point just to rub salt on the wounds of other parties and inflame the discussion.
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Posted: Jul 23 2008, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE (Mrs. Aforcer @ Jul 23 2008, 03:25 PM)
Fine. You win on that one. But I do think he said alot of things that were unnecessary to proving his point just to rub salt on the wounds of other parties and inflame the discussion.

I can't argue with that (I said it myself earlier.)
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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Jul 23 2008, 05:26 PM)
I can't argue with that (I said it myself earlier.)

Righto then. As long as we agree on that term, I'm cool.
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