!CFP! Final Decission on early gameplay concept, It's decided. Results on page 3/4

Community Fangame Project #2

In this topic members of MFGG help to make a final decission in what direction the CFP#2 will go.


What we have so far (conceptwise):
-Simple Mario engine with as few as possible moves (jump, run, pick up, ladders, duck)
-Four playable plumbers
-Different specifications
-One unique special move for each
-No forcing players to use a certain character: The game should be able to be played through (without finding all secrets, that is) by using each of the four characters. The differences only serve the purpose of more variety and to go different paths.

Then in the previous topic we've had five questions and now it's time to DECIDE:




Before you proceed: Make sure to read and understand the rules of this:
- Read the question.
- Evaluate EACH option with either: YES, NO or OK (depending on if you want to have that in the game or not)
- all options are evaluated independant of each other, that means you can give two YESses for the same question, you can give two NOes and one OK etc.
- Post this in this topic.
-Edit: Please: If you say "NO" to an option, please give a reason why! If you already cast your votes and read this now, please add that to your post!

Example:
1) a) Yes b) Ok.
2) a) Yes b) Yes.
3) a) No b) No, because *good reason* c) Ok.
4) a) Ok. b) Yes.
(^ not an actual vote)







1) Do we want a Worldmap or a Hub World?
a) Worldmap
b) Hub World

2) Should we be able to switch between the bros during gameplay or only outside of the levels?
a) Only outside of the levels (on the worldmap/hub)
b) During gameplay

3) Special abilities for the brothers?
> Don't mind i, ii or iii here, because they have been decided already! <
i) Mario: Mario gets the wallkick that has been decided in the last topic.
ii) Luigi: Luigi gets a super-jump (SMB2 style) and his flutterjump (the flutterjump alone is not powerful enough to serve as a special ability, so he gets both of the mentioned ideas)
iii) Wario: Wario gets the Charge Attack.
iv) Waluigi:
a) being able to run on water
b) being able to run on walls
c) throw bombs

4) Health System:
a) SM64ish system
b) RPGish system

5) The collectibles are not subject of the vote as they can all be implemented sooner or later.
The top suggestions however, were:
-Ace Coins
-Expandable Stats
-Extra Levels (probably covered by the multiple paths accessible through the different Bros. abilities)





If we get through this we can finally start to work on the engine and once we can present an engine, BS will give us our own SUBFORUM.
So please, engage yourself in this one!

Thank you

1) Do we want a Worldmap or a Hub World?
a) Worldmap

2) Should we be able to switch between the bros during gameplay or only outside of the levels?
b) During gameplay

3) Special abilities for the brothers?
> Don't mind i, ii or iii here, because they have been decided already! <
i) Mario: Mario gets the wallkick that has been decided in the last topic.
ii) A-okay!
iii) Wario: Wario gets the Charge Attack.
iv) Waluigi:
a) being able to run on water

4) Health System:
b) RPGish system

Joy.

Maybe we should work on the actual similarities engine (slopes, ladders, jumping, etc.)?

You did like, not read the post?
You were supposed to evaluate ALL of the options that way we'd make sure to get a kind of compromise.

Woops. Sorry, let's try again.

1.
a) yes
b) fine
2.
a) Maybe
b) yes
3.
a) Sweet.
b) Illogical, but okay
c) No. Way too...un-marioish.
4.
a) Wouldn't mind in particular
b) Preferred

There we go.

Perfect example of how it should be done!

Everyone: this is an even better example than the one I gave in the first post.

1) a) Yes b) Ok.
2) a) Yes b) Ok.
3) a) Yes b) Yes c) No.
4) a) Ok. b) Yes.

Being able to use Bob-Ombs anytime would make defeating enemies way too easy.

EXACTLY what I meant.
He isn't even meant for using bombs a lot anyway.

Btw, thanks Guinea. :P

This post has been edited by Black Boo on Aug 8 2008, 04:06 PM

1.
a) no -Unless there is someway to have both a hub world and a world map
b) yes
2.
a) yes
b) no -I think it would be more fun if you needed to make the choice first
3.
a) no -doesn't make sense
b) no -"..........................."
c) no -too easy to defeat enemies
4.
a) yes
b) ok (aren't both the same thing?)

This post has been edited by Elyk on Aug 8 2008, 04:13 PM

And your reasons for all of the "no"s are... ?

1.
a) Yes (preferred)
b) Ok

2.
a) Yes (preferred)
b) No, unless actually i'm changing my vote on this to a straight no.

3.
Note: Luigi's flutterjump does not require any special programming; just change his default jump impetus and max fall rate.
a) No, water is too uncommon
b) Borderline OK, run-able walls are uncommon
c) Ok (preferred). I'm still of the opinion that special moves should require FP to prevent rampant abuse, so after a couple Bob-Ombs you'd have to recharge your FP somehow.

4.
a) Ok
b) Yes (preferred)

This post has been edited by xn--e5x on Aug 8 2008, 05:05 PM

I didn't see that part until after I made the post and I've already edited it.

I know that thing about the flutter jump. That's why I said Luigi gets that additionally to the super-jump.

and I agree with your argument about the bombs.
I also thought that they should of course be limitted if they are used. Either he can throw one and then recover after a few seconds, or he has a limitted ammo and recovers with coins or anything else.
The other moves however I don't think should need FP, as they're not so cheap as a ****load of bombs.

Thank you

Wario's charge attack seems pretty cheap to me. Hit the B button and anything in front of you that isn't spiky in front dies. And there's no risk of hitting yourself with an explosion.

Didn't see that in the specifications, but as long as they're there, fine then.

This post has been edited by xn--e5x on Aug 8 2008, 04:21 PM

The game will of course feature WarioLand enemies, too, and they almost all have spikes in front of them. So yea.

1) Do we want a Worldmap or a Hub World?
a) OK
b) YES
A hub world could maybe have special levels within it, but a world map would work just as well.

2) Should we be able to switch between the bros during gameplay or only outside of the levels?
a) YES
b) NO
Being only able to switch outside levels may help the player think about who'd be more useful for that level, and an incentive to replay levels for paths that can only be used by one brother,

3) Special abilities for the brothers?
c) throw bombs
Eh, I just like this one more.

4) Health System:
a) YES
b) OK
Both seem nice, but I prefer the SM64 system.

5) The collectibles are not subject of the vote as they can all be implemented sooner or later.
The Ace Coins could be used for buying access to new levels, so you could combine those two, I guess.

Video games are not supposed to make sense.

still though, he's Waluigi, not Jesus

1)
a) Yes
b) OK

2)
a) No, because if there are any secrets to find, you can switch to your character anytime without having to finish the level.
b) Yes.

3)
a) Yes.
b) Ok.
c) No, makes him overpowered over the other bros.

4)
a) Ok.
b) Yes.

1) Do we want a Worldmap or a Hub World?
A) Yes.
B) No, worldmaps keep things simple and easy to see as compared to hubs, where you'll get lost and confused.

2) Should we be able to switch between the bros during gameplay or only outside of the levels?
a) No, being able to swap brothers as you go makes for some good puzzling opportunities.
b) Yes/

3) Special abilities for the brothers?
iv) Waluigi:
a) Yes
b) OK
c) Yes, if the bombs can hurt you. This could provide Waluigi with a rocketjump type thing as well as a path finder.

4) Health System:
a) Yes, it's simple.
b) OK

5) The collectibles are not subject of the vote as they can all be implemented sooner or later.
-Yes. To buy new characters/levels perhaps.
-Ok
- Yes/