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Canadian Airline decides to remove, life jackets from planes to save fuel

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blackcat12

Posted: Aug 30 2008, 01:01 AM

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TORONTO – Air Canada's regional carrier Jazz is removing life vests from all its planes to save weight and fuel.

Jazz spokeswoman Manon Stuart said Thursday that government regulations set by Transport Canada allow airlines to use floatation devices instead of life vests provided the planes remain within 50 nautical miles of shore.

Safety cards in the seat pockets of Jazz aircraft now direct passengers to use the seat cushions as floatation devices.

"The nature of our operations doesn't require that we carry both," Stuart said.

Stuart said Jazz is a transcontinental carrier that doesn't fly over the ocean.

Jazz planes do fly over the Great Lakes and along the Eastern seaboard from Halifax to Boston and New York.

Stuart said all of Jazz's flights operate within 50 nautical miles of shore. She said they operate 880 flights daily to 85 destinations in North America and that the number of flights operating over water are minimal.

A commercial-style life vest weighs roughly a half-kilogram (1.1 pound), meaning 25 kilograms (55 pounds) would be saved by removing them from a Dash-8 aircraft with 50 seats, the most common aircraft the company uses.

"Transport Canada was satisfied that we met the regulation, and they approved the change," Stuart said.

Stuart has said that with the high cost of fuel, the airline is looking at everything.

Woody French, mayor of Conception Bay South, Newfoundland, called it a cheap move. French has been advocating for an airline passenger bill of rights.

"A lot of these airlines say 'Well, our passengers are our main concern.' That's a bit of a misnomer," French said. "We're a distant second. Profits are the first."

French is sending a letter of protest to Canada's transport minister, saying that the elimination of the life vests will result in minimal fuel savings.

Transport Canada spokeswoman Maryse Durette said Jazz was going "above and beyond" the regulations before.

"It was extra, above and beyond what was required under the Canadian aviation regulations," she said.

Alison Duquette, spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration based in Washington, said U.S. federal aviation regulations say that "if you are an airline and you fly an airplane over a body of water, you have to have a life preserver or an approved floatation means."

Duquette said that a seat cushion meant as a floatation device could satisfy that requirement. She said that she was not aware of any U.S. airlines getting rid of life vests on their airplanes to help with weight issues.

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Piemanthe3rd	Posted: Aug 30 2008, 01:08 AM
Defender Of All Things Pastry Group: Members Posts: 2348 Member No.: 3459 Joined: 20-March 07 Status: (0d)	Well it's not like they're flying over the ocean. And even the lakes, while big, aren't impossibly sized with other flotation devices. -------------------- My Ref... Ish As Drawn By A Friend. Pieman by Jazz

Mario Gamer	Posted: Aug 30 2008, 01:08 AM
Another member in a sea of insanity Group: Members Posts: 23232 Member No.: 12 Joined: 13-October 03 Status: (0d)	You're pretty much **ed no matter how a plane crashes. So not really feeling anything from this -------------------- And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.** Wiki - Movie Munchies - Super Mario Theta That's all folks

LuigiFan	Posted: Aug 30 2008, 01:08 AM
Substandard Member Group: Members Posts: 29944 Member No.: 592 Joined: 6-September 04 Status: (0d)	so instead of life vests, we have to hold onto a seatcushion? that's not a very good improvment D: --------------------

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Posted: Aug 30 2008, 01:09 AM

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how the hell is shaving off 55 pounds supposed to make an appreciable difference

one extra passenger and the extra weight would exceed those "savings" by a factor of 2-3, if not more

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QUOTE (Mario Gamer @ Aug 30 2008, 01:08 AM)

You're pretty much ****ed no matter how a plane crashes.

So not really feeling anything from this

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QUOTE (Xgoff @ Aug 30 2008, 12:09 AM)

how the hell is shaving off 55 pounds supposed to make an appreciable difference

one extra passenger and the extra weight would exceed those "savings" by a factor of 2-3, if not more

You gotta remember that this is a lot of planes and a lot of flights. That little amount adds up after a while.

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Retriever II	Posted: Aug 30 2008, 02:30 AM
Catalyst Group: Members Posts: 18290 Member No.: 52 Joined: 13-October 03 Status: (0d)	No plane I've ever flown on has had life vests anyway. They all use the seat cushions as flotation devices. So nothing new to me, not that I fly Air Canada. --------------------

GeneralGuy	Posted: Aug 30 2008, 07:52 AM
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Posted: Aug 30 2008, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE (Parakarry @ Aug 30 2008, 12:37 PM)

Holy god, this looks like a disaster waiting to happen

Have you flown on any airlines in the U.S.?

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Posted: Aug 30 2008, 12:22 PM

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Life jackets for more fuel?
This is one of those moments where you shake your head in disgust and slowly slink away.

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Jack Thompson	Posted: Aug 30 2008, 12:44 PM
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Piemanthe3rd	Posted: Aug 30 2008, 12:52 PM
Defender Of All Things Pastry Group: Members Posts: 2348 Member No.: 3459 Joined: 20-March 07 Status: (0d)	This really isn't that big of a deal And I would say it would save fuel because less weight is less weight Plus it'd probably save money, a lot of money. Like that one airline that removed a single olive from every meal and gained thousands of dollars a year Also, I've flown on Jazz Airlines a few times in the past. Good flights, good food. And yes, remember people, not flying over the ocean here. -------------------- My Ref... Ish As Drawn By A Friend. Pieman by Jazz

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Posted: Aug 30 2008, 01:03 PM

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Flying over ocean or not, lifejackets are a requirement for all flights in europe as far as I remember. So they can't really take theirs out.

This seems like a good decision though.

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Posted: Aug 30 2008, 01:16 PM

at least it's not flour

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idk they aren't flying over oceans and they have other flotation devices... what is the problem?

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