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Posted: Sep 14 2008, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (Lightning @ Sep 14 2008, 08:26 PM)
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does it hurt to think like that?

Yes, assuming they also consider freedom to be something positive to be striven toward. Because license to do what one pleases should not be striven toward at all.

Most people desire to do certain things that are destructive to others or to society in some way. The more license is given, the more those people will do whatever immoral things they want to do, and the more society will be wrecked.

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Well, it's your body. ... So you can kinda do whatever you want to it.

Even if "as long as you do it to yourself, it's fine" were an ethically sound idea (which it really isn't due partly to factors such as setting examples for others), she's not the only one involved; she's asking other people to engage in the same activities with her. So that argument doesn't really justify this.

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No. That is exactly what freedom is.

Does that mean there are no consequences for these actions? No. But you are free to actually do them.

Nope, pretty sure freedom in the proper sense means being unaffected by coercion that infringes upon one's rights.

By your definition, it would probably be interpreted as a "lack of freedom" when people take preventative measures to keep burglars out of houses, because the poor, oppressed burglars are not being allowed to act as they please. According to that definition, wouldn't "freedom" require that burglars only be punished after they've already done the deed?


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Posted: Sep 14 2008, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (rtsmarty @ Sep 14 2008, 08:46 PM)
How so?

If people want to "degrade" themselves then they've chosen to do it so why shouldn't they be allowed to?. But I'm not sure what you mean here. Mind explaining?

I explained in the very sentence before the one you quoted.

And people shouldn't degrade themselves because when people are degraded, whether through their own agency or otherwise, the general grade of society goes down just that much, and examples may be set for other members of society, thus continuing the process of degradation.

If a pop culture icon behaves disgracefully, and that person's fans all know about it, chances are they might not have a problem with doing it too because their idol did it. The popular person would be leading them down, even though he or she would not have been degrading anyone else originally.

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Posted: Sep 14 2008, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE (Lightning @ Sep 14 2008, 08:26 PM)
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does it hurt to think like that?

He is right though, if we all went around doing what ever the hell we want life would suck even more


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Posted: Sep 14 2008, 08:08 PM
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Women choose to be strippers. That's legal. Lap dances are legal. They made that choice and it empowers them. How is taking it one step further illegal?

For that matter, why is alimony legal but prostitution is not? They're one in the same: you're paying the woman to leave.


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Posted: Sep 14 2008, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (Grant @ Sep 14 2008, 04:02 PM)
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Maybe girls too.

you wish

;-;

Also about what you said that isn't what freedom should be...
Just... Wow...
You realize that is pretty much the definition of freedom, right? >_>


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Posted: Sep 14 2008, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (Ryoga @ Sep 14 2008, 04:31 PM)
... Literally or figuratively?

Not-so-surprise abortion.

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Posted: Sep 14 2008, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (MegaTailzChao @ Sep 14 2008, 06:03 PM)
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...AHAHAHA holy **** I can't believe my own joke flew over my head sad.gif

Falcon PAUWNCH joke.


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 12:19 AM
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You can make all the "it's her body and she may do with it what she chooses," and the "prostitution is legal in Nevada" arguments you want until you're blue in the face and your jaw falls off, but the fact still remains--

This is harlotry.

This woman has taken the easy and abhorrent way out. If she knew the meaning of honest work, she'd get a workstudy job or some other day job like the rest of us.

GG.

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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 12:26 AM
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imo women who use their bodies to get places are pretty disgusting.


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 12:50 AM
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1. Seriously, stop all of the hate on the Wii and leave Nintendo alone!
2. And this is coming from the self-proclaimed Sony fanboy who only plays mature rated games for hardcore gamers such as yourself.
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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 03:54 AM
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She wants one million dollars for having sex for the first time

what the ****?

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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE (Grant @ Sep 14 2008, 08:51 PM)
Yes, assuming they also consider freedom to be something positive to be striven toward. Because license to do what one pleases should not be striven toward at all.

Most people desire to do certain things that are destructive to others or to society in some way. The more license is given, the more those people will do whatever immoral things they want to do, and the more society will be wrecked.

I think you understood my question: does it hurt you to think like that

also, define "immoral" (and prove the validity of each "moral" with which it conflicts for extra credit). what is immoral about what this woman is doing? why?


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 05:19 AM
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QUOTE (Lightning @ Sep 15 2008, 04:53 AM)
I think you understood my question: does it hurt you to think like that

also, define "immoral" (and prove the validity of each "moral" with which it conflicts for extra credit). what is immoral about what this woman is doing? why?

Well, if I were in college, I'd be pretty pissed about this girl who just *****s herself off to get into the same thing I spent years saving for, so I guess the whole taking easy way out thing is bad to other people.


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Posted: Sep 15 2008, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (PSI Guy @ Sep 15 2008, 06:19 AM)
Well, if I were in college, I'd be pretty pissed about this girl who just *****s herself off to get into the same thing I spent years saving for, so I guess the whole taking easy way out thing is bad to other people.

what's so bad about it? just because you're jealous of her method? that's not a very good reason to condemn it.


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