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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE (Noone @ Nov 2 2008, 10:05 PM)

Not possible, because it won't know the object/resources true name, unless the player renames it.

Small things, like the extra amount of spacing or comments can be removed. But that does not help too much.

"simplify"

this doesn't mean trying to get it back to what it was originally (since it can't), but giving it a shorter and more memorable name

it could probably even be able to detect gotchas such as dummy variables and the like

basically it'd work exactly like the obfuscator, just in reverse

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE (Xgoff @ Nov 2 2008, 11:14 PM)

Yes, and how exactly are these "dummy" names suppose to make sense where they are used?

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE (Noone @ Nov 2 2008, 10:27 PM)

Yes, and how exactly are these "dummy" names suppose to make sense where they are used?

what

you can find out meaning by context, but something like object.x = score + sin(object.angle) * object2.health is a little easier to understand as duck.x = rutabaga + sin(duck.eggnog) * firetruck.bacon than Hduje&*e_6sB.x = YYe6Nj,?dg + sin(Hduje&*e_6sB._8_?_SeF) * n&2Sfg3wIfdf._hjse@fj3GIS_H

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Raccoon Sam	Posted: Nov 3 2008, 01:12 AM
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MegaTailzChao	Posted: Nov 3 2008, 01:54 AM
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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE (MegaTailzChao @ Nov 2 2008, 11:54 PM)

I don't see why people make such a huge deal about the decompiler. :/

because a lot of people are going to use it to steal games

get the source, change the author information, rebuild, post it on some popular place the original author likely didn't know about

back in 2003-2004, KPP managed to claim games were his WITHOUT the need for a compiler, and some people believed him; now do this when you're actually able to change strings inside the source file

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 10:34 AM

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there actually existed an MMF1.0 decompiler

though it sucked like hell

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE (sonic1991 @ Nov 2 2008, 03:57 PM)

Is there anything you can do to protect your game from it?

Use drag and drop and make it incredibly messy.

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE (Mr. Bird @ Nov 3 2008, 04:58 PM)

Use drag and drop and make it incredibly messy.

not even that

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE (Littlink @ Nov 3 2008, 10:43 AM)

imo it's pretty cool to decompile games and figure out how they're made (or find unused resources). I've learned some pretty neat tricks that I wouldn't have normally! Now admittedly some people will steal, misuse, etc but I and others use it for learning.

The only time I've ever tried to decompile someone elses game was when i tried it on Mushroom Kingdom Fusion. I wasn't going to steal it, just use LGM to Defrag it and release a Defragged EXE. The Game was too big for the Decompiler to handle though...

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QUOTE (Xgoff @ Sep 10 2009 @ 06:11 PM)

did you try hello's engine

make sure to not ****ing change anything before using it!

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Nov 3 2008, 08:04 PM)

The only time I've ever tried to decompile someone elses . The Game was too big for the Decompiler to handle though...

If you have a HUGE game maybe decompilers can't decompile it.

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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Nov 3 2008, 08:04 PM)

The only time I've ever tried to decompile someone elses . The Game was too big for the Decompiler to handle though...

If you have a HUGE game maybe decompilers can't decompile it.

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Nov 3 2008, 08:04 PM)

I was able to decompile it the other day when someone asked about sprites in it (which happened to not even be in the version I had).

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE (sonic1991 @ Nov 2 2008, 04:57 PM)

Is there anything you can do to protect your game from it?

Possibly

http://gmc.yoyogames.com/index.php?showtopic=373402

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE (SuperMarioMaster @ Nov 3 2008, 08:29 PM)

Possibly

http://gmc.yoyogames.com/index.php?showtopic=373402

Razz beat you to it.

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Posted: Nov 3 2008, 09:00 PM

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Myth: ENIGMA runs faster than Game Maker
Truth: THIS IS FALSE! I ran a test where you held space to create a new moving Object every step, and Game Maker reached 6000+ Objects without lag! ENIGMA could only handle 963.