MFGG Monthly News - October 2008

I believe Jesus existed, and I'd like to think there was something after death.

However I think a lot of the bible has been played with over the years through translation with bits added in and bits taken out. I don't think Jesus was a miracle worker but his messages are worth taking a note of. The majority of stuff in the bible is good and is worth living by. There's a lot of parts that are a bit dodgy but I blame translation issues. All major religions have more-or-less the same teachings (as in, the ones that have lasted several centuries, not ones conjured up by random dudes).


So yeah I reckon religion's a good thing but I don't think a lot of the stories in the bible can be preached as fact. And Christianity is the worst offender of this. Personally I reckon things like Hindu and Islam are a bit more fun, but again I wouldn't take it super-seriously.

I don't think religion should be scrapped since things like the Bible are pretty solid things to build your way of life on. I don't think the whole church prayer thing is up to much but if it didn't exist all the major holidays would be made invalid and the world would probably suck a bit. Religion gives people hope, and lots of people need that I suppose.




and that's my views



and Rage has had troubles connecting to MFGG recently so he's got an excuse for not showing up. And FanGuy's been doing this job for most (if not all) of my MFGG career.

SHROOMGUY 4 MOD

Seriously though, SGG is probably gonna get the job.

this can only mean that BS will plan a political revolution against


... himself



or something

Admins can do that!

Speaking of which where is good ol' captain jeff?

Yeah what am I doing?!

why did I let the global financial crisis happen?! I should have been restricting the amount of money banks can spend!

and yeah I don't know if a new global is totally necessary now. GC's covered, CCC's covered, Techo's a global mod of sorts... should be fine. They're all reasonably trustworthy and all the main forums are moderated by a dedicated moderator.

It's just a matter of playing the waiting game and restoring MFGG to its former glory. The plan's worked pretty well so far. Once things are secure better members should come through our doors.

I can't think of a single member that's registered in the last four or so months (and is still here) that came JUST for the CCC. That's an improvement.

Blaine The Train

Also Quackers doesn't count

Wait, Blaine came back?

It's not that we don't have enough mods; it's that members like to gain fifty posts every day in semi-debate topics by going completely off-topic.

That makes zero sense. How does the fact that we apparently don't have enough mods counter the fact that people supposedly get 50+ posts per day in a debate topic? Most people who get involved in a "semi-debate" topic, as you'd call it, usually end up doing one of the following:

1. A main argument between a person and aother person over some topic that somehow connects with the main topic/is the topic. Both may be providing good comebacks, while one may be clearly dominating over the other.
2. Bunches of other people end up joining, supporting one of the main debaters with repeat statements of their comebacks, or other things.
3. People try to get everyone to stop and get back on topic, which is nearly impossible to do.

Usually, at most, people may score about 5-10 posts from a debate topic. I haven't seen a debate topic rage on to the point many people get 50+ from it.

Also, it takes only two things for a debate to abruptly end here:
1) Someone is stupid enough to make a comment that may be all "well, your opinion sucks, so STFU" or something of the sort.
2) A MOD.

So again. Please explain how your statement makes sense, because it seems to be irrelevant.

He's referring to the fact that this message board's primary issue is the member database, not necessarily the mods/admins.

Originally I wasn't going to comment on the posts in this topic about myself, since I figured people would start saying again that I'm looking for modship (which I'm not), but I'm not sure I can just let this sort of thing pass.


Interesting how you assume that just because I'm conservative, religious (in a sense, anyway), and unafraid to openly speak my unpopular viewpoints, I'm not fair-minded.

Or, if you're not talking about religion or moral issues (though I'm guessing you are, because a lot of my strong opinions have to do with that), interesting how you assume that the mere fact that I have strong opinions means I would abuse power to humiliate those who disagree with me.

Never mind that I've always made a point of unbiased reporting of posts, reporting even people I fully agreed with if they were breaking rules. And the fact that one of the things I most abhor in a moderator is any tendency to use his higher influence to persecute someone else for his opinion, political or otherwise.

If anyone's being non-fair-minded here, I kind of don't think it's me.


P.S. I'm pretty sure everyone is "filled with opinions," and I would definitely not say that all the current and former mods here are un-opinionated.


EDIT: Removed one part due to misunderstanding a term, etc.

This post has been edited by Grant on Nov 4 2008, 11:30 PM

Originally I wasn't going to comment on the posts in this topic about myself, since I figured people would start saying again that I'm looking for modship (which I'm not), but I'm not sure I can just let this sort of thing pass.


Interesting how you assume that just because I'm conservative, religious (in a sense, anyway), and unafraid to openly speak my unpopular viewpoints, I'm not fair-minded.

Or, if you're not talking about religion or moral issues (though I'm guessing you are, because a lot of my strong opinions have to do with that), interesting how you assume that the mere fact that I have strong opinions means I would abuse power to humiliate those who disagree with me.

Never mind that I've always made a point of unbiased reporting of posts, reporting even people I fully agreed with if they were breaking rules. And the fact that one of the things I most abhor in a moderator is any tendency to use his higher influence to persecute someone else for his opinion, political or otherwise.

If anyone's being non-fair-minded here, I kind of don't think it's me.


P.S. I'm pretty sure everyone is "filled with opinions," and I would definitely not say that all the current and former mods here are un-opinionated.


EDIT: Removed one part due to misunderstanding a term, etc.

By "opinions" I mean these words of yours that you shove in our face, almost as a true fact is what really bugs me.

And also, to be a leader it's better to be as unbiased as possible, to keep from having your emotions overshadow your better judgment.

I'm not sure exactly what words you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure this doesn't have to do with moderational capability. Mods are perfectly well allowed to have opinions, and to express them - including strong ones. A problem concerning this only arises when they let their opinions influence their moderating, or make it seem like they're using their high and honored status to intimidate people about opinions. That tends to make people stink as mods.

The very thing I was saying right up there is that no evidence exists that I'd be biased in a position of power or let my emotions get the better of me.

I've never been in a position of authority on this board, so you wouldn't know how I'd use authority, and how much I'd watch out for my behavior if I were entrusted with something as important as that.

As a matter of fact, I believe I can say with confidence that if someone made me a mod of a message board, I'd likely tone down my opinionated-ness a good deal. Since I am just a regular member here and not a mod, I've often been less careful about my behavior than I would be if I had an actual duty to fulfill related to keeping things in order. I'm not saying that was the best way for me to act as a member; all I'm saying is that my ideas for members' conduct are more relaxed than my ideas for mods' conduct, and I'd apply that to myself if I were put in charge of some place.

To be honest, I was intending to tone down my behavior on MFGG in general once the election turmoil was over, but that's another matter.

Grant is not suitable as a mod.

This is just choice.

I have no intention of "running" for mod, but you saying this is just choice.

I still can't believe you were ever a mod, what with your habits of complaining loudly all the time, getting in everyone's face over things, and generally making huge scenes. You really aren't in a position to say anyone's unsuitable for a mod position.

Especially considering you're probably only saying this because I have moral viewpoints you don't like.

Guess what? A litmus test of moral views in order to get into a mod position is one of the WORST IDEAS EVER, and if anyone disagrees, they deserve no say whatsoever in moderational matters. One's ideas regarding good and bad morals are NOT indicative of one's ability to rule over a message board. When a person moderates a forum, they enforce the forum rules specifically, regardless of moral views (and don't extend their moderating actions beyond the realm of forum rules). I understand this, but it seems to me that you don't.

Hey Grant, don't take it so hard if you're not intending to run for mod because you seriously have no reason to get pissed off unless you do want it, contrary to what you say.

No, it just makes me angry that people like you act like conservatives shouldn't be mods.

If you said that about any conservative member who wasn't me, and I knew it was because of his conservatism that you said it, then I'd say the exact same thing.



EDIT:

FOR FUTURE TOPIC VIEWERS: I was not merely jumping to far-out conclusions in claiming that he was implying conservatives shouldn't be mods. It was obvious that that was why he came in here to say I shouldn't be a mod; he posted it directly after a certain "conservative vs. liberal" argument had been taking place, in which SP mentioned in no uncertain terms how much he hated me.

This post has been edited by Grant on Nov 5 2008, 02:42 AM

You shouldn't be a mod for various reasons I can't be bothered to list, I mean since you have no interest in going for it anyway and all.

Grant would be an excellent mod, people just get butthurt because he's always right and/or is very opinionated at times, which by no means makes him unqualified for the job.

But we should really drop this conversation before things get out of hand.