Criticism, Shut the hell up and listen

NO EXCUSES there was never irony in my post anyway.

What if he isn't heading in the right direction, though? If Art Guy hears "the anatomy's a little off," then his next piece of art may be only a little better. If he hears "the anatomy is really, really bad," if he really cares about art, he'll look into anatomy and come back with something a lot better.

Ashura you still don't get it. My whole ****ing point is that everyone's opinion is valid. It doesn't matter if someone is a good or bad artist, mean or nice, or even someone who doesn't draw or do any form of art. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and they are allowed to criticize an art piece if they wish to. Minor details about their life doesn't affect how they criticize.

this

i rarely ever see people balance the good and bad things about something; generally it's straight praise or straight criticism, neither of which really helps someone all that much since they either don't improve at all or they waste time and effort improving what didn't need improvement (or at least didn't need it nearly as badly as what was explicitly mentioned)

not that i should talk because i'm the second type lol

This post has been edited by Xgoff on Jan 18 2009, 04:04 PM

Why isn't this gem of a thread stickied yet

This post has been edited by OSM on Jan 18 2009, 04:05 PM

:/

oh well, I can't help but criticize myself for not being able to explain effectively..

this could be reworded to carry the same meaning but without so much of the negative

something like "so and so needs a lot of improvement"

in fact that's part of what my other post talked about; people like lumping together things into one word like "anatomy", when in fact there may only be specific anatomic areas that need improvement, not all of it (the latter is sort of being rigidly implied by the quoted phrase)

THERE YOU GO. YOU JUST PROVED SHAWN'S POINT.

That's what criticism basically is.

This post has been edited by OSM on Jan 18 2009, 04:11 PM

It could be, but doesn't necessarily have to be.

I think this topic should be locked and stickied immeadiately.

I agree. This topic served its purpose. There's no way you can win this one, Ashura. You're vision of how criticism should be is flawed and would never work in the real world.

Game over, bro.

Game over.

All criticism is valid despite how ****ty it is, because all criticism is born from opinion.

<3

Well yeah, that's true. The point I was making was that even if he wasn't headed in the right direction, both Bob and Jim's critiques are valid, even if Bob was being an outright prick.

Also, I think the topic is pretty much done, but I'm gonna wait to see what other replies crop up. In the meantime, :sticky:

Then you understood absolutely NOTHING of that post, nor did you understand what everyone here is trying to tell you.

Bob and Jim, in that example, are saying the exact same thing. The fact that you would reject or accept the same message solely because of how "nice" they are is your exact flaw, and it's what you're being told to STOP DOING.

Excuse me? Have people forgotten the whole point of arguments? The whole point of an argument is to GET CLOSER TO THE TRUTH, not to win. I realized the truth that your argument was valid.

I respected you a bit after realizing that your point was valid, but after this gem of a reply you lost that respect. Congratulations.

Don't turn this into a war ground, please.

Yeah, this topic is actually pretty damn useful. Don't force it to get locked, CoF'd, or what have you.

I won't.... but whatever, I'm kinda upset over shawn's post.

I'm done with this topic.

PROTIP: Don't hold a grudge on someone because they say you spend too much time on video games.

I've clocked in probably more hours then God himself could count into the Zelda games, no shame in it whatsoever.

NOW QUIT ARGUING AND HATING EACH OTHER ALREADY. Tired of Shawn whining on MSN all the time about both of your shenanigans.

This post has been edited by OSM on Jan 18 2009, 04:50 PM