Republicans vs. Democrats

Two wrongs DO NOT make a right. Please people.

I'm not Republican or Democrat. The two parties are becoming more and more similar all the time, quite frankly, and it seems to me that, although I'm closer to Republican than Democrat by far, the Republican Party has a lot of problems with it IMO.

However, as probably everyone here knows, I am socially very conservative, though with regard to government I also have some libertarian leanings. Fiscally I'm on the right as well.

Actually, my views on the issues Frostbite listed do match up somewhat accurately with the viewpoints he so resentfully condemned. Perhaps not perfectly, though, since I'm not incredibly knowledgeable about some of them.

OBAMA IS BLACK AND HIS MIDDLE NAME IS HUSSEIN TERRORIST TERRORIST TERRORIST

your opinion is awful, no offense

I'm basically an athiest from the north and I lean towards the Republican party
And believe it or not, almost everybody at my Catholic school was a Bush-hating (for no more reason other than "he's stoopid") Obama supporter.

So don't make generalizations you know are going to be easily disproved. Seriously, you can't have said "republicans are a bunch of red neck religious extremists" without knowing that someone was going to call you out and tell you how wrong you are.

I hate topics like this.

they're all,
blah blah blah ANGER ANGER blah blah RELIGION FIGHT (optional) blah blah blah BLAH BLAH *lock*

Definitely democrat. I despise most republican ideas.

And I hate how you go into every single topic, contribute nothing of value, and then proceed to whine about how these topics happen in your eyes.

You're not helping.

ugh, I hate it when you say this.

sorry, m'bad, ect.

Did it again!

Calm down Razz. If you don't like a topic, report it. In the report screen, give reasons why you don't like the thread. You'll be much less likely to be banned that way.

I didnt know some people didnt believe in healthcare at all :\

They just think you should have to pay for it.

Yes i know i was sorta being sarcastic... I meant that his original post made him look "un-intelligent"

Democrats are for me. Trough I'd say republicans aren't stupid for voting mccain, he would have been a pretty good president ( atleast several times better then bush ). But I think personally that Obama is unrivaled and may be the best president of the US ever.

Anyway I see republicans as the people from ALABAMA, and we all know alabama is the worst state in the US ( no offense to all of you living in alabama, but you don't have a friendly state )

But the only ones that vote for republicans are old people that are very racist and brutal in general.
Because everything the republicans do the democrats do better and democrats give about freedom but the republicans take it away

I suppose I do enjoy being a racist, brutal old man. B)


In all seriousness, though, I didn't vote McCain because I thought he was a particularly good candidate; I just thought it imperative to make a vote that actually counted against Obama (probably the most socially liberal candidate to date).

Also, nice job continuing entirely in the vein of the original post.

stereotypes just make everyone look bad... as in if you characterize or generalize a large group, not only does it make that group look bad but it makes you look dumb to others that know better... so yeah esteban i dont find it fair to pigeonhole a group like that, even if i might be the opposition of that specific group

Republicans, Democrats, and all other parties all have the same goal, but just employ different means to come to this end.

All politicians want the support of everyone. They need to appeal to and continue to appease their partisan constituency (i.e. the Republican candidate to the Republican party) and convince swing voters that their ideas are the "better choice" (i.e. giving reasons to undecided voters why Republicanism is superior -- usually with catchy lines like "Less taxes for everyone" and "No child left behind in our public education"), while still not demonstrating too extreme of policies in hopes of hooking in a few of the opposing party's constituency (i.e. convincing a Democrat that your Republican candidate veers "more to the center" with his policies, making him a voting possibility if the Democratic candidate is unsatisfying). It's all about votes; different parties all employ more or less the same strategies, just the words they use are a little different, as are their "values" and "morals" (I put these in quotes 'cause generally these things aren't even their personal opinions; their synthesized ideas made to create a likable facade for the candidate).

In the end, all parties -- and politicians for that matter -- are exactly the same. They want to win. That's how we all are; they just have a lot more at stake than the average Jo (the Plumber) does.

Why is "unintelligent" in quotation marks?

Don't be afraid to flat out say someone's misinformed and needs to research more if it's true.

Don't forget rich!

False.

In fact, Republican's are more about freedom (at least in the conventional sense of the word -- independence from higher power, less federal control, power to the states and people, etc. etc.) than Democrats are. Democrats are all about dependence on government programs and high taxes -- basically, pool money and distribute it. It's a system that ties you into it, forces you to enter obligations with the government (through the education system, the health care, etc.), and really allows little freedom at all to invest in private companies and services (because they all get pushed out of the scene by public, government-sponsored programs). It's not free at all in extreme cases, when you have no other option but what the government has provided you with.

Republicans, on the other hand, are all about freedom. They're roots date back to a party that wanted a more "hands-off" political system and a government that gets less say in the doings of the people. They support privatized health care, private schools, and the like because it represents more freedom of choice. You want expensive, nice health care, fine -- here you go. You don't need that sort of thing, that's cool too -- you don't have to pay as much as that other guy did. In Democracy (at least, in the Democracy Obama has proposed), the health care is "free" and "equal" to everyone, but the politicians fail to mention the shackles of dangerously high taxes that burden each and every citizen -- even the one's that don't want that health care.

tl;dr, Republicans actually support more freedom, while Democrats are more about government-sponsored and government-controlled programs, obligating citizens to eventually become fully dependent on their public services and weeding out any privatized companies in the process.

That probably he is not unintelligent, but his post makes seem that way when he says that "No health care" is a fundamental motif of the republican party. Thats all...

So then, as I said, don't be afraid to point out that another member's post is faultily researched or makes false blanket statements.

Seriously, we need more people that can distinguish fact from old, snarky, over-used Republican-bashing punchlines that stopped being funny years ago.

I'm just going to hop on in this topic- and would you look at that, razz and mrs a are already here

I've given up more or less on defining myself within a political party. Very likely one exists that matches what I favor and oppose, but I'm too lazy an American to dig it up. Broadly speaking, I favor social freedoms, social reformation, and moderate economic freedom. More specifically, I would in a perfect government like to see an institution of marriage not bound to the word or religious idea, a separation of faith and state, consistent, relaxed gun control policies, education on all levels funded based on merit by the government, basic healthcare available to the unemployed(or gainfully employed but unable to obtain such care), and tough, broad regulations with next to no government interference with business. Realistically very little of that is possible.

edit: ps i am not opposed to a weaker dollar :x

This post has been edited by Zash on Jan 24 2009, 04:05 AM