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  Posted on Apr 4 2009, 09:28 AM
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I was thinking about making a game about the SMA4 E-reader levels

Should I make it?

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Posted on Apr 4 2009, 10:03 AM
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I'm not sure of the legality of that, tbh, since it would essentially constitute copying levels right out of a commercial game-related product, when one of the main purposes of that product is to provide those levels.

Personally I wouldn't do it if I were you. It seems to me to be treading the line of commercial game distribution too much.


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QUOTE (Grant @ Apr 4 2009, 05:03 PM)
I'm not sure of the legality of that, tbh, since it would essentially constitute copying levels right out of a commercial game-related product, when one of the main purposes of that product is to provide those levels.

Personally I wouldn't do it if I were you. It seems to me to be treading the line of commercial game distribution too much.

there's already a load of SMB clones on the main site

I don't think legal issues is a problem at all in this case
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Posted on Apr 4 2009, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE (MechaBowser @ Apr 4 2009, 10:05 AM)
there's already a load of SMB clones on the main site

I don't think legal issues is a problem at all in this case
or generally in fangames

I've never seen a SMB clone with every level from the game in it.

Usually it's just the first level and maybe a few more, and Mario fans in general are highly familiar with the included levels anyway.

To put it another way, it is highly unlikely that people who play SMB "clones" will not bother to play the real SMB just because of that. With this SMA4 e-Reader idea, it may be a different story.


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Posted on Apr 4 2009, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE (Grant @ Apr 4 2009, 05:09 PM)
I've never seen a SMB clone with every level from the game in it.

Usually it's just the first level and maybe a few more, and Mario fans in general are highly familiar with the included levels anyway.

To put it another way, it is highly unlikely that people who play SMB "clones" will not bother to play the real SMB just because of that. With this SMA4 e-Reader idea, it may be a different story.

There is at least one on the main site.

And you're questioning how legal this will be, when fangaming in general is illigal anyway, considering it immitates gameplay of, say, SMB. Even if it has levels made my fangaming developers and not professionals, it doesn't matter because you'll get the same gameplay values anyway.

Fangaming in general is illigal but nothing is done about it because it has spread to about every corner of every fan group ever.

Making a e-reader game is just as illigal as any other fangame. There's no 10/50/95% illigal.

Since making fangames is accepted on this site and considered 'not illigal' by this site's laws, it also means that reproducing the e-reader levels isn't illigal either.


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Posted on Apr 4 2009, 10:46 AM
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I would play it. I've never had a chance to play those levels.


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Posted on Apr 4 2009, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (MechaBowser @ Apr 4 2009, 03:22 PM)
Since making fangames is accepted on this site and considered 'not illigal' by this site's laws, it also means that reproducing the e-reader levels isn't illigal either.

That's the difference between using a website for research in a project, taking the findings and putting them into your own words, and just copying and pasting the whole lot. The former is acceptable; the latter is not.

In the same way, a Mario fangame takes Mario-related materials and puts them into a uniquely-designed game, rather than just having the exact same levels as the original Mario game did.

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QUOTE (mariobro27 @ Apr 4 2009, 05:47 PM)
That's the difference between using a website for research in a project, taking the findings and putting them into your own words, and just copying and pasting the whole lot. The former is acceptable; the latter is not.

In the same way, a Mario fangame takes Mario-related materials and puts them into a uniquely-designed game, rather than just having the exact same levels as the original Mario game did.

oh okay you edited your post to make more sense.

If taking the level design from a game and using it in your fangame is such a bad idea, then answer me, why is taking a game engine design (such as SMB3) and using it in your fangame any different? You're still copying the game just as you would with the levels.

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QUOTE (Funky @ Apr 4 2009, 10:55 AM)
No, the levels look kinda bad.

Is that OUR peardian who ripped those?


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Posted on Apr 4 2009, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE (MechaBowser @ Apr 4 2009, 03:58 PM)
If taking the level design from a game and using it in your fangame is such a bad idea, then answer me, why is taking a game engine design (such as SMB3) and using it in your fangame any different? You're still copying the game just as you would with the levels.

So why is taking a game engine design and using it in your fangame a good thing?


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Posted on Apr 4 2009, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (mariobro27 @ Apr 4 2009, 06:24 PM)
So why is taking a game engine design and using it in your fangame a good thing?

We weren't talking good/bad, we were talking legal/illigal. He is allowed to make as many ****ty games as he likes just as how he is allowed to make as many good games as he like.

Now ssh with the discussion, it's not going to answer his question and is not going anywhere.

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QUOTE (kane]deth[ @ Apr 4 2009, 05:08 PM)
Is that OUR peardian who ripped those?

Yeah, he's doing much there.


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I don't see why not, considering you're making quite the few SMB3 engines, might as well make some use of them


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I think it's a great idea and I think you should reconsider. The E-reader levels (cards and e-reader itself) were hard to get a hold of and a chance to play them sounds like fun!


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QUOTE (Littlink @ Apr 4 2009, 12:35 PM)
I think it's a great idea and I think you should reconsider. The E-reader levels (cards and e-reader itself) were hard to get a hold of and a chance to play them sounds like fun!

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If I make it, I'll probably use HME3 but I'll need to add some things into the engine to start using it!

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I'd probaply not play it since the over and over and over and over and overused graphics would rape me in my dreams.


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