Meet the 2nd Admin, Topic title change to avoid confusion ;)

why is errors in quotes

sometimes it seems more like
Admins -> Mods ->->->->->->->->->->->-> Members
though

and though there's nothing that wrong with staff being above members in making decisions (that's their job!) it just doesn't seem right when the staff seem like nobility compared to the serf class of members- I think that's where members stop realizing that the staff are human and want their head on a pole every time they make a mistake

we really need to be on a closer respect level

and hopefully this open discussion thing fixes that- the whole "if you don't like it, leave" thing was really, really making the gap bigger and bigger every time it was said

now let's keep it to, "if you don't like it say so in the right thread and shut up everywhere else." good plan.

a suggestion about more votes in forum 12- let some people who don't have staff powers in on it. this is a bit crazy and I'm not thinking this through- just a little suggestion I'm throwing out there- maybe get some people like Kritter and Phage in there and let them have a say too. That way the votes aren't limited to staff who have to deal with member's crazy antics and you have members who deal with the member's antics in there too.

Whats the difference inbetween admin and root admin anyway?

root admin is the default IPB admin group and admins outside of it can't edit that admin's account. they also have access to logs and sql info but RII probably changed how that worked.

pretty much no real important difference

But uh if you put BS has his account hijacked somehow, things might end up a bit nasty you know... Seeing how it's the king admin account and you get the same functionality seemingly from a normal one.

I mean, just looking at it.

I don't understand why he did what he did (maybe some crazy paranoia) but it doesn't really affect much in reality. If anything terrible happens we just can run to RII in the end anyway.

fair, but I think it'd be much more confusing when there's multiple admins mainly because you have no one specific to contact when you want something huge or important changed or noted. It's like that anywhere. I remember in the Half-Life 2 Episode 2 commentary that Gabe Newell tells about how he gets millions of emails once a new game is released, but the people that actually did make the game get none. Technically, it should be those guys specifically that got the email, but they don't. People want a face on the community, which is why its good to have a single admin, or a root admin. If I were to email one of the hundred of people on the Episode 2 team, I am pretty much sending my mail to a stranger with little chance for a response. However, if I send my mail to Gabe Newell, I know he'll get it and it's his job to read it (okay he doesn't actually read them himself he has secretaries but you get the point).

imo it was much better with a single admin, it made things much clearer and even though you get to be the scapegoat at times, you get to be the head of MFGG. We know your decisions aren't based on your own opinion only, but certain people like to think that way.

I don't have anything against Guinea being an admin, but the split is what I don't like. Which is why I am assuming one of you is going to take on the MFGG President mask and the other hide in the shadows. Guinea will most likely be the one with the mask (although that's just what I assume).

tl;dr it seems like you're just spreading the admin position more apart, diving the gap between members and admins even further.

http://archive.mfgg.net/index.php?sh...dpost&p=3530290

This post has been edited by MechaBowser on Jun 14 2009, 02:28 PM

Well big deal the only bad part of this was that I didn't get admin.

well that's your fault - if you want to distance yourself that far away then fine but I'm not going to chase after you. There are many members who come to me direct on a regular basis and more often than not I listen to them and take what they have to say on board first

this team isn't any further away from the members as previous teams. If anything it's a bit closer together - I don't remember having much of a say back when I was a regular member, but I didn't complain because it's like a club - you don't join to complain about how the club is run, you just don't renew your membership if you're not happy with it.

I never understood this point and I don't quite get why it keeps being raised

the whole point of forum 12 is so that moderators can discuss things, so if you send something to the wrong person, they'll either redirect you or post it in forum 12. It all gets relayed to the right person eventually because all big decisions are decided as a team

I'm sorry if I feel distanced when I'm constantly reminded that if I don't like something I can leave?


it's never "if you don't like it, send me a pm and we'll work things out" or "if you don't like it, just deal for a bit and the kinks will be worked out" (even if both of those are options)

nope, straight to "get out if you don't like it"

This post has been edited by Comrade Kesha on Jun 14 2009, 02:47 PM

probably not if I pm'd FanGuy or equal. It's hard to tell because some just aren't active enough or some people don't know actually care - remember, we can't see that it's being discussed in Forum 12, we can only assume, and we don't get a response back at all unless its something heavy.

yes it is - I've said the former loads of times and I said the latter plenty of times on Friday alone

Well first of all you're talking about Guinea so there shouldn't be a problem there

second, FanGuy is no longer on the mod team so obviously your chances of reaching forum 12 are slimmer

at the end of the day you don't contact people who aren't active enough, common sense. All the mods have bold text on the member list so you can find the active ones easily. If things aren't getting to forum 12 via a certain member that's something I need to know about but I can't mind read and you guys don't want me dipping into the PM logs like Yoshiman did. Sometimes you need to be a bit adventurous and find out who is able to listen at that present time and who isn't

Thank you very much.

The secrecy/keep members quiet thing was getting outta hand.


Anyways, grats Guinea, I'm sure you'll do fine.

This post has been edited by SonicProject on Jun 14 2009, 07:31 PM

I actually enjoyed being the lone admin =P Trying to sort out problems when you had someone like Shadowman trying to change things and cause other problems just made it harder, but it can be more stressful and i'm sure these days what with Forum 12 etc it'd be easier to discuss these things. But then TD and I hired Shadowman because we knew we couldn't manage on our own (and TD wasn't doing much those days anyway), so really I DID need the help.

Oh well I pride myself in the job I did, and I still feel like I know a thing or two about the inner workings of this place... in conclusion I think having multiple admins is good I think.

I'm not awake enough yet =/

actually considering he invented a higher title just for himself now, I'm not too sure.


What's the point of adding another admin of equal power if you're just gonna boost yourself up one more peg?

I'll admit i'm not sure why root admins and normal admins exist separately. What's a root admin?

woah woah woah woah WOAH


what the **** is BS doing as a Root Admin?



i thought RII clearly stated that no one belongs in that group to avoid conflict in the future of admins checking items they are not supposed to




Kritter: Admins have control of the Admin CP, to a limited point. Root admins carry this further by having control over viewing SQL databases and items. This was done by RII to ensure another "Yoshiman PM Scandal" wouldn't happen.

Not even I was a root admin when I was an admin. Eeh i'm not concerned but I can see why others might be. Trust is a hard thing to build, especially when people don't really think much of your decisions. I personally think the best thing would be to keep all admins equal.

.. It's actually possible for regular admins to bump themselves up to root? What the hell? Isn't that kind of... insecure of IPB's system?

This post has been edited by Promenade on Jun 15 2009, 12:14 AM