3/10, lrn2troll, and what it means to YOU

Considering the uproar! Yes!

Yeah but the problem with "don't troll" is nobody listens =P So we have to target specific areas of trolling and slowly come up with ways that'll weed it out one by one.

Think of it like Jenga, you could simply knock over the stack but everyone'd stop playing or say you're cheating, or you could pick the pieces out one by one and you might just win!

Bad analogy but you get my point, and I'm not bothered even if you were attacking me =P I wanted discussion and that's what I got, hopefully we're more clear on what we're doing. As I say, give it time, see if it makes a difference, don't worry that we're going to attack non troll-ratings because I think we can see the difference like Dark Yoshi pointed out, that's an excellent example. We're just targeting and curbing the troll ratings, and it's just our starting point so be patient.

9.5/10
95%
0.95

You see, there are other methods to express ratings.

That's great business! I really like that! I do!

Maybe I misunderstood it, maybe your mind has changed, maybe a million things, but it seemed to me (from reading that very first post in this thread) that any-and-all "ratings" were to be axed in the form of a warning and then whatever.

My last ban was delivered to me without warning and without response from an administrator for a discussion on the matter. I hated that very much, and that is probably another reason why I feel so strongly about this.

Again, you are a cool guy, Kritter, and I now trust that you'll be fair. That's not what I saw in the first post.

And so long as you rate things in a constructive and positive way, we won't have a problem =}

Well hey, we've reached an understanding!

If you ever have an issue with a ban though, PM one of the staff members and we'll try chase it up for you or let you know exactly why you were banned, maybe we should start linking to the exact post in ban-logs... maybe i'll suggest that.

an excellent idea, this should have been done before.

Yeah I dunno how to troll. Darkyoshi, do you know how to troll?

What it looks like to me is that you are trying to define something that's not defineable. You'll just keep attacking one posting style after another after another, all of which have been USED to troll in the post but are not, of themselves, PURE TROLLING. This all goes back to my first response in this thread. Language, like guns, only does what its master wills it to do and what the reader interprets it as. It's just wrong to crackdown on something as motive-less and ultimately neutral as written language.

But it is definable.

We've established that "3/10 lrn2troll" is defined as a troll post in itself when said to another member of this board, and thus, bad,

We've also established that "10/10 valve, would rage again" is not in reply to something someone was posted here and is instead a reply at a silly decision made by valve, and isn't punishable by our rules, as it's not harming this board or its members, aside from being a little unsightly and far too common.

I think "To deliberately post false or controversial messages to gain attention and provoke arguments" is a pretty good definition for something "undefinable"

I understand your qualms about banning certain posting styles, but when that type of post is used to troll 99% of the time, there really shouldn't be an issue.

Language?

lrn2troll is not part of any kind of language I've ever seen spoken, but the problem is not with the "language" it is with the way that it is used. And with lrn2troll, there is only one way that it can be used and that is not allowed here.

Your arguments are for something so trivial that I'd have to assume you were trolling at this point.

This post has been edited by SonicProject on Jun 24 2009, 07:40 PM

Internet slang is still language, SonicProject. Language doesn't just cover official standard languages, it covers the broad topic of what people use to communicate with each other. "lrn2troll" is definitely language, it's just language that the staff can't see being used here productively.

Regardless, language isn't the issue here, it's the context, so lets keep THAT our focus.

What you're going to have to do, though, because you have open communication with rule-breakers, is rule whether one instance is good or bad. Someone will say that their usage was not trolling and they'll give you a solid reason why. You'll agree with that, and it'll be fine.

What I'm seeing it as is just an overly-complicated and mangled re-iteration of the "don't troll" rule. Kesha gave a reason to refute this, but I still don't buy it. It isn't right. You just can't bar a kind of posting from all the members.

I'll again go back to my pitch to you guys. Alls you have to do is read the post, inform the user of your judgement and that'll be it. I just don't see the point in this new rule.


"Don't troll" is very vague, but that's a lot better than actively confining down the rights of forum members.

If that is how you or anyone is going to feel, then I would invite you to report to a moderator or administrator any of my posts that you think are trolling.

Trolling isn't a right no matter how you look at it. As i've explained dozens of times now, we're simply targeting one area. I've had this argument already =P

What?

How can lrn2troll be used for anything else?


It can contribute absolutely no good to this community, so I don't see why you have taken it so personally that it would no longer be allowed.

SP: He was replying to something i'd already previously said, you're making things worse by not reading the last few pages, no offense meant.

No-no-no-no-no, absolutely not! I'm not saying that trolling should be allowed. There is a rule saying "Don't troll", and I won't go against that in this thread. I leave that right where it is. The "right" that I'm talking about is the right to use "rating" or whatever else that you guys think is inherently a TROLL'S DEVICE and only a TROLL'S DEVICE (which it is NOT). This ruling and argument IS on language, because language is what you're cracking down on.


SonicProject, you can't say that something like "1/10" or "lrn2swimming" or WHATEVER can't possibly bring something to the community. That is outrageous and you have absolutely no basis on that kind of judgement. There has even been an example here where just the kind of language that Kritter wants to bar (as stated in the first post of this thread) has been used for a NON-TROLLING PURPOSE. Kritter also said that he knows and accepts that possibility and will allow open communication to try to sort out any misunderstanding.