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QUOTE (Starmang @ Jun 25 2009, 08:03 PM)
Arguing that punishing someone for trolling once is stupid is a faulty argument indeed.


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QUOTE (Starmang @ Jun 25 2009, 06:03 PM)
Arguing that punishing someone for trolling once is stupid is a faulty argument indeed.

What was I thinking?!

I really don't know but it's great you can admit your mistakes rather than continuing with them cool2.gif


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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:05 PM
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What I'm saying is that trolls should only be punished if they do it frequently. If you're going to punish troll messages, then go ahead and ban half of MFGG, see where that gets you!

Oh my, so you're saying half of mfgg is a bunch of trolls?


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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE (Starmang @ Jun 25 2009, 12:03 PM)
Arguing that punishing someone for trolling once is stupid is a faulty argument indeed.


What was I thinking?!

Oh I don't know, maybe it's because trolling is against the rules?

And for ****'s sake, you even get a first time warning for this. Pull your trousers up off the ground, tighten your belt, and deal with it. It's not like you're going to be killed on the spot.


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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:09 PM
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Starman maybe you should go to argument class or something!! You're making the people who are not really for this thing look bad.

Not like mfgg mods are absent lenient most of the time or something.

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I really don't know but it's great you can admit your mistakes rather than continuing with them cool2.gif

lmao you suave *******.

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QUOTE (Black Squirrel @ Jun 25 2009, 11:05 AM)
I really don't know but it's great you can admit your mistakes rather than continuing with them :cool:

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As I said before, it's A+++++ that Kritter and team are opening this up to us. It's great that a warning is given first. That is all great and I praise the team for doing that, but this thread (after the first few pages, anyway) is for discussion of it. It's good to have discussion!!



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QUOTE (Tony Trombone @ Jun 25 2009, 06:09 PM)
As I said before, it's A+++++ that Kritter and team are opening this up to us. It's great that a warning is given first. That is all great and I praise the team for doing that, but this thread (after the first few pages, anyway) is for discussion of it. It's good to have discussion!!

yeah it'd be great if both sides actually had discussion instead of stubbornly butting heads hahaha.


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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE (Nicholas Ainsworth @ Jun 25 2009, 05:05 PM)
And for ****'s sake, you even get a first time warning for this. Pull your trousers up off the ground, tighten your belt, and deal with it. It's not like you're going to be killed on the spot.

Yeah this doesn't add anything new to the discussion aside from evidence of some obvious anger issues. You seem to be the only person getting pissy about this, which isn't exactly mod-like behaviour :/


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QUOTE (Elly @ Jun 25 2009, 12:11 PM)
yeah it'd be great if both sides actually had discussion instead of stubbornly butting heads hahaha.

It's those folks who get topics locked. It sucks, to be sure, but it's a lot better than having a locked topic and a ban on anyone who tries to start a discussion of their own. Definitely better!


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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (Elly @ Jun 25 2009, 05:05 PM)
Oh my, so you're saying half of mfgg is a bunch of trolls?

Say hello to my friend Mr. Exaggeration.

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Oh I don't know, maybe it's because trolling is against the rules?

And for ****'s sake, you even get a first time warning for this. Pull your trousers up off the ground, tighten your belt, and deal with it. It's not like you're going to be killed on the spot.


You haven't implemented the trolling rule in ages and quite frankly, MFGG has been fine without it. I find it funny how most of the better members make troll posts, I dunno, every 50-60 posts. That means in around 5 days you're ****ing banned.

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Starman maybe you should go to argument class or something!!


Warn for trolling, please.


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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE (Tony Trombone @ Jun 25 2009, 06:14 PM)
It's those folks who get topics locked. It sucks, to be sure, but it's a lot better than having a locked topic and a ban on anyone who tries to start a discussion of their own. Definitely better!

Hahaha ahh yeah you're right. Forget it then.

QUOTE (Kyori @ Jun 25 2009, 06:13 PM)
Yeah this doesn't add anything new to the discussion aside from evidence of some obvious anger issues. You seem to be the only person getting pissy about this, which isn't exactly mod-like behaviour :/

Eeeh just ignore it. Lots of noise but little action. I mean ainsworth is a cool guy but when he does all this mfgg mod crap he gets all angry and stuff for little reason.

It's like a downward spiral you know, more noise, more desensitized members not giving a crap, causing ever more noise.

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Warn for trolling, please.

Real cute there. Flail your arms a bit more and we might even get humored.

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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE (Kyori @ Jun 25 2009, 12:13 PM)
Yeah this doesn't add anything new to the discussion aside from evidence of some obvious anger issues. You seem to be the only person getting pissy about this, which isn't exactly mod-like behaviour :/

Because for the most part, the topic had already been resolved and yet some of your fellow MFGGers are still griping as though the forum just turned into a dictatorship overnight.

And no, I'm not so much "pissy" as I am annoyed that the majority of this discussion should've ended pages ago as Kritter had already clarified what he was aiming at in the first post.

Edit@Ylle: Thanks for shooting me in the back, buddy. Much appreciated.


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Posted: Jun 25 2009, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE (Nicholas Ainsworth @ Jun 25 2009, 06:19 PM)
Because for the most part, the topic had already been resolved and yet some of your fellow MFGGers are still griping as though the forum just turned into a dictatorship overnight.

And no, I'm not so much "pissy" as I am annoyed that the majority of this discussion should've ended pages ago as Kritter had already clarified what he was aiming at in the first post.

Edit@Ylle: Thanks for shooting me in the back, buddy. Much appreciated.

It's not shooting you in the back man, it's the truth. You gotta be real loud these days to get noticed. It's not your fault man.
Nice job shooting me in the back however.

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You haven't implemented the trolling rule in ages and quite frankly, MFGG has been fine without it. I find it funny how most of the better members make troll posts, I dunno, every 50-60 posts. That means in around 5 days you're ****ing banned.

Congratulations you completely misunderstand this, intentional or not.

If you can't make posts without making senseless trollan posts that do nothing but harm, hey, maybe mfgg isn't your thing. Try another forum.

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by definition, half of MFGG is more "troll" than the median, and for large populations the median tends to be close to the mean.

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This topic is so ****ing dumb, I mean not the OP or anything no, but half this entire god damn topic blows ass.

Why wasn't it locked after page 4 or something,

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QUOTE (Lightning @ Jun 25 2009, 05:26 PM)
by definition, half of MFGG is more "troll" than the median, and for large populations the median tends to be close to the mean.

Well I'll be dammed - another inconsistency with the whole trolling definition? Looks like everyone is not on the same definition of trolling (whether they be right or not), which is another major problem. Let's check the rules:


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Definition of trolling: "To deliberately post false or controversial messages to gain attention and provoke arguments". Members who are simply posting to annoy others to get them angry will recieve punishment. However saying that, it's not wise to take everything super-seriously.



If you're going to implement this, at least change the wording of the rule. According to this, as Lightning said, the actual ammount of trolls is very high.

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This topic is so ****ing dumb, I mean not the OP or anything no, but half this entire god damn topic blows ass.

Why wasn't it locked after page 4 or something,


People aren't allowed to argue any more?

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QUOTE (Starmang @ Jun 25 2009, 06:32 PM)

People aren't allowed to argue any more?

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No but most of the topics participants "argue" in such a fashion the stupidity rule would be a ****ing page on tvtropes.


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Posting false information for the sole purpose of enraging others is not good.
Rating false information on the content of falseness isn't good either.

Where do you get the idea from that this is good?
Seriously, it's not like you get banned instantly for every little piece of false information you post. Just when it's obvious in the eyes of those who have to judge it that the sole purpose of it is to enrage others.
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QUOTE (Starmang @ Jun 25 2009, 01:32 PM)
Well I'll be dammed - another inconsistency with the whole trolling definition? Looks like everyone is not on the same definition of trolling (whether they be right or not), which is another major problem. Let's check the rules:

by definition of "median," that is, assuming that every post has some amount (0% to 100%) of "troll-ness"


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