3/10, lrn2troll, and what it means to YOU

Why don't people use quotation marks.

"it's useful for Quick Reply"

aka posts that have little to no content and really only exist in the CCC

It's a bit different than that - the French aren't a major ****hole-minded subculture of a world that's already 90% porn anyway.

What Kritter is saying is that we don't want this ****hole-mentality in here. It ain't so much the posting method itself but what the future could hold for that (and anything else that is brought over, for that matter) from 4chan.

It's not personal, Phage.

Yes, of course. The evils of other internet ****holes, ****holes NO WORSE than the one of MFGG, must be kept out.

This is not some kind of ideal, green pasture that can only be tainted by the influence of other, more sinister entities. MFGG has PLENTY of its own faults that were born and continue to fester WITHIN it. You aren't protecting anybody with your misguided blaming (which shouldn't be happening AT ALL).

Go on. Protect us. Ban "troll posts", then "bracket quoting", then "reaction images" and whatever else you deem belonging to the ****hole mentality. See how much better things get.

You would think that the recent, well-publicized change of management would bring about an equally radical change in administrative style but it seems that you can't have everything!

What exactly are you defending? Your right to troll others? Show me a good reason why giving a troll rating is a GOOD thing? Or spamming reaction images across the board for that matter?

This is MFGG and we do things our own way, so the rules somewhere else or what another site allows doesn't mean much. We simply want to keep the board clean and take steps to stop trolling. This is just the first and most immediate step to that end.

If you want to calm down and give me a good post about your feeling on this i'll listen but you're not making a good case by swearing and being nasty are you?

"troll posts" are used to flame people
"bracket quoting" is being used more to flame people than any other uses
"reaction images" is being used more to flame people than any other uses

flaming people is not nice.

Wow...

Are you guys seriously throwing a tantrum because you're not allowed to rate "trolls" and post nothing but your retarded memes all the time?

I hope not!

I personally am not going to do anything yet about ">these kinds of quotes" because they're not harming people for the most part. If they're used in a good way then I have no real problem with it other than you're only doing it to be part of a popular crowd.

Still, if you use it as a troll or flame, regardless of what it is, that's what it was used for and there's rules against that.

So long as you adhere to the rules, we haven't got any problems. As far as i'm concerned, all we're doing is enforcing the rules we already have in place. That's all =}

The typical 4chan posting style is laced with trolling, flaming, and inside jokes.

The first two aren't allowed here anyway, so it shouldn't be a surprise that the staff here are finally doing something about it. If you want to post like you're on 4chan, go ahead, just avoid doing it in ways that break MFGG's rules-

but keep in mind that this isn't an anonymous image board- every post has an identifiable poster (including yours), and posts are by no means image-centric (reaction images and image macros and all those simply don't work as well here- whatever you can get across with those is much better communicated through a normal post).

There's nothing wrong with having diverse posting styles, in fact it's a good thing because it makes this place all the more fun to read and be active in, but we shouldn't let this board melt into a 4chan-esque cesspool of trolling, flaming, and stupidity- this place is supposed to be about game development, not forum drama or whatever. Try to be as helpful as you can be.

What do you mean by "you guys?"

This post has been edited by Comrade Kesha on Jun 24 2009, 06:32 PM

I still don't comprehend why members use the 4chan quoting system when we've got a much more advanced method that is easier to use.

Excuse me, Kritter, but I take much offense at your dismissing my argument based on the kind of language I use. I used NO foul language in my previous posting that was not used by another recently-appointed moderator, Tri.

You say you are only enforcing the rules already set. That's not what you're doing. You are creating new rules that are putting RULES-FOLLOWING members at risk for bannings of their own. What of the people who use "troll ratings" or whatever crap you're trying to keep out BUT DO NOT USE IT WILL MALICIOUS INTENT? What will happen to them? You'll be banning people who legitimately do not deserve it.


I have an idea for you that you should be very familiar with. The idea is to not over-complicate the system. You already have an anti-trolling regulation. How about enforcing that rather than making things easy and just confine users to whatever style of writing you like.

This is the same issue with gun control laws. Guns are used to kill people, but does the government ban all guns (I'm only familiar with laws in the USA)? No, they don't. The government doesn't ban all guns. They don't because they know that there are LAW-ABIDING gun owners out there.


Here is a post you should read.

Your argument is sound, but I'm not listening to it because you are making up your own definitions of those quoted items I mentioned and you transformed.

So you've got all the time in the world to whine about how much the staff sucks yet you propose no positive ways of improvement?

You may or may not like it but there's a certain way things are supposed to work around here. Our job is to enforce that in order for the boards to be productive.

> Go on. Protect us. Ban "troll posts", then "bracket quoting", then "reaction images" and whatever else you deem belonging to the ****hole mentality. See how much better things get.

I'm only quoting these two sentences from your first paragraph because the rest are rhetorical questions.

What I am defending is the right for members of this forum to use language how they will and not to have to administrating body generalize and judge the whole forum population's intent and activity based on ONE group of morons who chose to be "nasty" to people. That's what I'm defending.

Here in Australia we DO have gun laws that ban all guns unless you're fully licensed etc, and that's how I roll =}

I'm not going to ban anyone yet, if you read my first post, the system is to PM people that use the troll rating system and kindly explain that we're not tolerating those kind of posts anymore. After that it's really up to them, they can listen to the simple set of rules we've explained in a nice, moderatorly way, or they can keep doing it and learn from being punished.

Since we're using analogies, parents give kids rules. If the kid listens to their parents, they get nice treats but if they continue to run rampant they get sent to their room without dinner.

It's really simple, don't troll.

And don't assume we're not going to come down on people who ARE trolling either, as i've explained a few times already this is just the most immediate thing we're trying to curb, have patience.

im sonicproject i dont understand whats happening before i post.

right. sorry I wasn't aware that 4chan was the scum of the internet.

You are right in that a proposal was not included in the post you are replying to. See my next one.


"You may or may not like it but there's a certain way things are supposed to work around here. Our job is to enforce that in order for the boards to be productive."

It also seems like your job is amending and creating new rules that have little to do with what is already existing. That's what I take issue with.

Tony, I don't think they're

That's not what they're doing. People use troll rating and greentext to troll, BS told me earlier today that it's harder to crack down on pure trolling than it seems. I decided to take his word for granted because of sheer experience.

Again, they're just trying to weed out trolls. Chill.

This statement is curious!

This post has been edited by Dark Yoshi on Jun 24 2009, 06:58 PM

Exactly, it IS hard but we're working to try and do what we can, and we're constantly discussing things that might help.

This is only ONE simple step, and it's one i've pitched to you all and allowed open discussion as I said in my very first post. I can appreciate people think it's somehow us cracking down on something you might enjoy, but I honestly believe that not only will it go lengths to help better this place, but you're not even going to miss it when it's gone. I've seen very little arguments for allowing these posts, so i'm doubting that i'm wrong.

"I'm not going to ban anyone yet, if you read my first post, the system is to PM people that use the troll rating system and kindly explain that we're not tolerating those kind of posts anymore. After that it's really up to them, they can listen to the simple set of rules we've explained in a nice, moderatorly way, or they can keep doing it and learn from being punished."

I read your post and that's a very good way to moderate. Every system should be that way and applaud you most duly if that is how you operate. That, though, is not what I'm taking issue you. What I don't like is the creation of new regulations that are effectively a carpet bomb on what you think is an affront to the anti-trolling rule. I'm not sure of your motives, but the action is mis-guided and dangerous.


"Since we're using analogies, parents give kids rules. If the kid listens to their parents, they get nice treats but if they continue to run rampant they get sent to their room without dinner."

That analogy has been used before and it's essentially how things work here. I only know myself, and I know that I would question a new rule that I believed would carry un-intended consequences (again, I don't know your motives. Maybe they are intended consequences?). You made an un-locked thread in the News forum for discussion, and discussion is what you're getting. What you are doing is down-right wrong.

it's incredibly obvious for me to tell when someone is using it to troll and just being silly.