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Posted: Jun 30 2009, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE (Demonic Jello @ Jun 30 2009, 07:20 AM)
I always though Staryu went aroung going HEYAH!!!

yeah... for some reason
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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 30 2009, 07:12 AM)
EV training and rarely IVs come to be very important

Rarely IVs? IVs matter as much (if not more) than EVs do. They depict how the EV Training process will go. Anything lower than a 27 in an important stat just never cut it for me. In all other fields (not named Speed for slowballs like Snorlax, not named Attack for Sp. Attack nuthouses like Starmie or PoryZ, not named Sp. Attack for brawlers like Heracross and Medicham), I usually required at least a 20.
Regarding the whole Tier List, I never paid attention to that because:
A. I train alone and in secret. Only assistance that I required was from my old comrades at PokeCommunity, so if it was anything that I needed to know, I'd let them tell be because
B. I never liked Smogon (no we're not turning this into a WHY DOES ICEMAN3K HATE SMOGON discussion again)


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Posted: Jun 30 2009, 07:05 AM
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QUOTE (Iceman3k @ Jun 30 2009, 06:57 AM)
Rarely IVs? IVs matter as much (if not more) than EVs do. They depict how the EV Training process will go. Anything lower than a 27 in an important stat just never cut it for me. In all other fields (not named Speed for slowballs like Snorlax, not named Attack for Sp. Attack nuthouses like Starmie or PoryZ, not named Sp. Attack for brawlers like Heracross and Medicham), I usually required at least a 20.

okay man, you can go breed all you want. sure, high IVs are wanted in the best stats on a pokemon but the other IVs don't really matter.

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so mysterious

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B. I never liked Smogon (no we're not turning this into a WHY DOES ICEMAN3K HATE SMOGON discussion again)

I don't recall the "last" time that happened. Mind explaining? I won't draw it out or anything.


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Posted: Jun 30 2009, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 30 2009, 08:05 AM)
okay man, you can go breed all you want. sure, high IVs are wanted in the best stats on a pokemon but the other IVs don't really matter.


so mysterious


I don't recall the "last" time that happened. Mind explaining? I won't draw it out or anything.

A. Breeding for powerhouses is what I lived to do. I was all about precision back in my Pokemon days.

B. Yep cool2.gif

C. Either the topic's lost in the abyss somewhere or it got deleted, but I can't remember. 'twas over a year ago.


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Don't worry Iceman, I still have :horns:. You should start getting into the competitive scene again, especially with HeartGold/SoulSilver announced.

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Posted: Jun 30 2009, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (Iceman3k @ Jun 30 2009, 09:20 AM)
C. Either the topic's lost in the abyss somewhere or it got deleted, but I can't remember. 'twas over a year ago.

You can't remember why you don't like Smogon?


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Posted: Jun 30 2009, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (CrashMan @ Jun 30 2009, 05:12 AM)
These are the Pokemon mostly regarded as the "best" out of non-ubers. They're used the most often in competitive play.

EV training and rarely IVs come to be very important, as do natures. A team needs to be able to handle threats of all kinds, and preferably have a couple of walls such as Skarmory, Blissey, or Cresselia. You'll want to outspeed your opponent and take out everything s/he throws at you. It can actually get very interesting at points!

Yeah pretty much Starmie is the only one of my favourites on there. :(


Sneasel sucks, but I hate its evolution. QQ

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Posted: Jun 30 2009, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (Raie @ Jun 30 2009, 11:49 AM)
Yeah pretty much Starmie is the only one of my favourites on there. sad.gif


Sneasel sucks, but I hate its evolution. QQ

it's funny how i like a number of pokemon that are considered ou

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QUOTE (General @ Jun 30 2009, 10:43 AM)
Don't worry Iceman, I still have :horns:. You should start getting into the competitive scene again, especially with HeartGold/SoulSilver announced.

please?

I'm still poor =(
I'ma get Platinum at some point. Hopefully when I get paid this week, depends on how much money I have left.

EDIT: and why the hell is Medicham NU =/
EDIT 2: Smeargle is OU asfsafsaf

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I don't care wut nun'y'all say. Blastoise is teh ****. Also, any who mentions Garchomp in anything that isn't relevent to "epic fail" is an idiot. Garchomp must die and rot in dark, steaming abyss of elite doom.


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QUOTE (Pickleboy @ Jun 30 2009, 12:15 PM)
I don't care wut nun'y'all say. Blastoise is teh ****. Also, any who mentions Garchomp in anything that isn't relevent to "epic fail" is an idiot. Garchomp must die and rot in dark, steaming abyss of elite doom.

In other words, you don't know how to properly counter a Garchomp.


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QUOTE (Iceman3k @ Jun 30 2009, 11:18 AM)
In other words, you don't know how to properly counter a Garchomp.

garchomp's uber for a reason, you know


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QUOTE (Iceman3k @ Jun 30 2009, 12:09 PM)
EDIT: and why the hell is Medicham NU =/

too fragile
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QUOTE (Iceman3k @ Jun 30 2009, 09:18 AM)
In other words, you don't know how to properly counter a Garchomp.

Which is weird if you've got a blastoise.


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Posted: Jun 30 2009, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (Iceman3k @ Jun 30 2009, 11:09 AM)
EDIT: and why the hell is Medicham NU =/

while his attack is 100% ****ing awesome he has mediocre speed and is overall fragile as ****


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I like quite a few OU pokemon so the whole "favored pokemon having weak stats" thing doesn't really apply to me.

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I'm pretty sure that's because OU is tied to usage. If a majority of people on ShoddyBattle started using, say, Venomoth in OU battles for some reason it'd be boosted to OU despite not actually being that great.

Plus Smeargle is actually pretty darn good, since it has spore, can pass belly drums, etc
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QUOTE (thingy @ Jun 30 2009, 09:16 AM)
Starmie sucks.

my Starmie would like to meet you


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QUOTE (Mewizkuit @ Jun 30 2009, 11:28 AM)
my Starmie would like to meet you

my starmie could beat up your starmie


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