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Posted: Jul 16 2009, 01:09 AM
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At a State Department townhall conducted by Secretary Clinton, a staffer asked why Internet Explorer is mandated, even though Firefox is security-approved for the "entire intelligence community." The answer? A whole lot of bull****, especially the insane citing of "expense."

Internet Explorer isn't mandated in every governmental department, and Firefox has been vetted and cleared as just as secure as IE (duh), so it's a legitimate question: Why not use the faster, safer, more customizable and more reliable browser? Clinton has no idea why Firefox is barred, which is totally fine with us—we really are happy she's spending her time on other things.

But Undersecretary Patrick Kennedy chimes in that it's "an expense question," at which point he is promptly and rightfully shouted down that Firefox is free, for god's sake. He goes into a lot of nonsense about "patches" and how even things that are free aren't really free, which sounds to us like a lame attempt to explain away his first answer—he probably didn't know Firefox was free when he cited expense in the first place. If Firefox has already been implemented in other sectors of government, it stands to reason that it could be adopted by the State Department fairly easily and quickly, and with minimal expense.

The rest of both his and Secretary Clinton's answer is mostly impenetrable, metaphor-laden government-speak about cutting costs that, sorry guys, isn't going to make us forget that you just claimed a free and vastly superior program, one that's already in wide use in other sectors of government, is too expensive to implement.

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US State Department is saving money by not getting a free browser that is better than IE.


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Posted: Jul 16 2009, 01:32 AM
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so uhh

why did they call clinton to ask about internet explorer


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Posted: Jul 16 2009, 01:43 AM
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I'm tempted to move out of the country now. I don't want to live in a country whose Government is this stupid.


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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Jul 16 2009, 01:43 AM)
I'm tempted to move out of the country now. I don't want to live in a country whose Government is this stupid.

Where will you go?


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Posted: Jul 16 2009, 01:59 AM
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Why didn't the dumbass back down when he was told Firefox was free, or at least take a moment to reconsider his position?


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Posted: Jul 16 2009, 02:00 AM
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  Posted: Jul 16 2009, 02:10 AM
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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Jul 15 2009, 11:43 PM)
I'm tempted to move out of the country now. I don't want to live in a country whose Government is this stupid.

A place who's government doesn't know about Firefox is not a place worth living!

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QUOTE (B.M. @ Jul 16 2009, 02:10 AM)
A place who's government doesn't know about Firefox is not a place worth living!

Seppekuuuuu!

Yupp...Thankfully, I don't really care what the government uses. I don't have a government job. Hell, at high school I had Firefox on a jumpdrive, I'd use it over IE. I got in some trouble for it (something about poor security), but I kept doing it anyway; they didn't catch onto me til almost the end of the year regardless.


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Posted: Jul 16 2009, 02:29 AM
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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Jul 16 2009, 01:43 AM)
I'm tempted to move out of the country now. I don't want to live in a country whose Government is this stupid.

Sheesh Oni its not that big of a deal. Its not like the US is gonna fall apart because the Gov't use IE.

Although I do think Firefox is better than IE in many ways, let people use what they want >:[

Anyways, this doesn't really matter to me.


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QUOTE (Im4everkool @ Jul 16 2009, 12:29 AM)
Sheesh Oni its not that big of a deal. Its not like the US is gonna fall apart because the Gov't use IE.

Although I do think Firefox is better than IE in many ways, let people use what they want >:[

Anyways, this doesn't really matter to me.

I'm more upset that they said "Nothing is Free", implying that they think Firefox costs money. Also, it is stated by an employee that they are forced to use Internet Explorer right at the beginning. If you read the article, you will see this, even though it isn't explicitly stated in the video.


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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Jul 16 2009, 02:35 AM)
I'm more upset that they said "Nothing is Free", implying that they think Firefox costs money. Also, it is stated by an employee that they are forced to use Internet Explorer right at the beginning. If you read the article, you will see this, even though it isn't explicitly stated in the video.

Ok,

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Sheesh Oni its not that big of a deal.


They probably might have used that as a excuse anyways.

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QUOTE (Im4everkool @ Jul 16 2009, 12:42 AM)
Ok,

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Sheesh Oni its not that big of a deal.


They probably just used that as a excuse anyways.

They are forcing their Employees to use a specific Browser. That removes some freedom of choice from its Employees. A Country whose Government breaks its own freedom-enforcing Constitution is not a good Country, imo.


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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Jul 16 2009, 12:49 AM)
They are forcing their Employees to use a specific Browser. That removes some freedom of choice from its Employees. A Country whose Government breaks its own freedom-enforcing Constitution is not a good Country, imo.

perhaps it's so people who are having trouble can get help from others
perhaps it's so they don't have to install a seperate browser on every computer there, forcing everyone to relearn things and wasting plenty of valuable time in the download process?
perhaps it's an internet browser and no-one cares?
perhaps it's government policy?
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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Jul 16 2009, 02:49 AM)

They probably just used that as a excuse anyways. [/QUOTE]
They are forcing their Employees to use a specific Browser. That removes some freedom of choice from its Employees. A Country whose Government breaks its own freedom-enforcing Constitution is not a good Country, imo.

Theres a lot of places that force their Employees/Students to do and use certain thing.

It's a web browser, and whatever is being done on that computer will still get finished, firefox or not. It's not that big of a deal what they use and it really shouldn't be this big of a deal to you.

and what B.M. said.


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QUOTE (Im4everkool @ Jul 16 2009, 01:57 AM)
They are forcing their Employees to use a specific Browser. That removes some freedom of choice from its Employees. A Country whose Government breaks its own freedom-enforcing Constitution is not a good Country, imo. [/QUOTE]
Theres a lot of places that force their Employees/Students to do and use certain thing.

It's a web browser, and whatever is being done on that computer will still get finished, firefox or not. It's not that big of a deal what they use and it really shouldn't be this big of a deal to you.

and what B.M. said.

I don't think the deal is the browser they used in the end, but rather the official's reaction. He was unable to admit he had made a mistake, and instead bull****ted his way out of the situation.


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government should not be using proprietary software. this should be obvious.

a company being in control of the government's computing is very clearly not a good idea. we've already seen problems arising with voting machine software, breathalyser tests, etc. being run on proprietary software.



as for the guy bull****ting his way out of the question, I see you guys are new to politics? this happens all the time, it just so happens that this time you know about the issue they're bull****ting about.

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They oughta have one of those commercials with the Mac guy and the PC guy, but instead with Firefox and IE.


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QUOTE (Sword @ Jul 16 2009, 09:42 PM)
but instead with Firefox and IE.

What about Chrome and Opera?

Anyway, I don't see how its expensive, sure, there is a cost associated with setting it all up, and a few days spent getting used to Firefox.

But a virus will cost a hellava lot more money.


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QUOTE (Flygon @ Jul 16 2009, 12:32 PM)
What about Chrome and Opera?

What about Solaris and GNU/Linux?

Firefox and IE are the 2 most widely used web browsers, just as Windows and OSX (which is really all the PC and Mac ads are about) are the 2 most widely used operating systems.


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