god bless america

assume I know nothing of what he's done and tell me why you think he's a socialist. you're the one making the accusation- I can't refute it if I don't know the basis of why you're making it.

Some should photoshop Obama into McCain or Palin for "what ifs"

Don't Europeans think both of the American parties are actually pretty right compared to their own governments

and then there's the fact that public education, law enforcement, and healthcare are all forms of socialism already

where did you get this information?
http://www.healthcarereformmyths.org/Healt...ReformMyths.php
see "Americans will be FORCED to change insurance plans"

"No one is going to be forced to do anything. It is called a Public OPTION. Keyword Option. No one will be forced to change insurance plans. The House bill sets forth specifics for the insurance exchange, and includes the public option as one of those exchange plans. The specifications for the insurance exchanges are parallel to current industry standards. Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell knows this. His own office admitted that no one will be forced into any plan."

But what about things that aren't immediately urgent? I know a Canadian woman who needed a tripply bypass surgery, but because she wasn't in immediate danger of dieing, she was put on a six month waiting list.

She had to come to America to get treatment earlier, where she was told that if he had waited, she would have died.

Plus, healthcare is expensive. How can the Government pay for these new programs if they have no money? They're already running on deficit, printing money to get by. We can hardly fund the programs we already have, such as medicare, medicade, or social security. It's all going bankrupt, and it's not going to hold on much longer unless we start getting actual money.

Without money to actually fund the health care, how will the doctors and nurses get paid for their services? Oftentimes there just aren't enough people to provide the healthcare needed on the Government's watch, even to people in immediate need.

We just don't have the funds to do anything right now.

oh yeah by the way on the subject of these protesters http://www.healthcarereformmyths.org/Healt...?ID=50&Act=Myth

for the money thing- taxes would be slightly increased, but not more than the health care rates we'd already be paying

And I would think triple bypass surgery would be an urgent thing

So he's not only socialist, he's lying about it and swindling the American people because he's just that bad a man.

And you're saying corporations paid millions of dollars to him without checking his political orientation.

He's from Mars too, right?

not really
http://www.healthcarereformmyths.org/Healt...?ID=20&Act=Myth
http://www.healthcarereformmyths.org/Healt...p?ID=9&Act=Myth

this video is bull****

"Kill your granny and save your life"?

way to keep ****ty rumors going

From the bill itself.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/private-i...e-not-outlawed/
"What page 16 actually says is that those who like their current policies are "grandfathered" and can keep them, even if the policies don’t meet new standards."

ITT foreigners explain the US laws to Americans

well my ideas might be foreign to some Americans but I am a US citizen

deficit spending is nothing new.

they're not priting money because they promise to pay it back (hence the deficit; if they were simply printing it, we would be worse than Zimbabwe is (was? did they fix that yet?))

It's a real shame that Obama is resorting to deficit spending (I think it's a stupid idea too!), but you have to realize when he came into office, a deficit is all he had to work with- regardless of who was elected, some deficit spending would have happened.

This post has been edited by Comrade Kesha on Sep 13 2009, 06:05 PM

Y'know there's a reason why some Boards ban political and religious discussion.

THE INTERNET IS RETARDED.

i thought you were russian or ethiopian

I know. Bush did a lot of deficit spending too. I blindly followed him based on party. I've already vowed never to do the same again.

I just wish the spending would stop. I thank you guys for giving me those links, but I'm taking them with a grain of salt. At the same time I have to re-examine my sources. Maybe read the bill myself and see what it says and draw my own conclusions.

But not right now. I'm confused and I have a massive headache. Thanks for the info anyway guys.

why is everyone so scared of socialism

red scare, McCarthyism, false idea that socialism = everyone leeches off of the government and nobody works,

well you know i might as well just sum it up as propaganda. lots of it.

CHANGE


I mean, I'm communist and I still admit socialism has good ideas