Sterilizing people who do more than four abortions

i know you probably didn't intend the pun

but i found this to be hilarious

Actually, I probably didn't phrase that properly.

When the population of a developed country rises, so does the average wealth and economic stability. When the population of a developing country rises, the inverse happens in said country.

I'm just saying this because I don't want to seem like I'm shooting down everything you say MarioMK1. I see why you're saying things and I disagree with them because I see things otherwise, not that you should change them.
I pretty much agree with you that parents these days aren't taking their role as seriously as before, causing children to become less and less successful.

There's alot of distrust of adults in general, atleast from when I grew up and even these days I'm not quite sure if adults really are as mature as I'd hoped them to be. It's really like the world has lost alot of the ideals and drive to become something better and instead focus on moving from one thing to another to suck it completely dry.

This post has been edited by DJ Elly on Oct 3 2009, 12:35 PM

Population boom could probably help a country when it begins industrializing to fill created jobs imo, but I'm not an econ student. These countries also don't have the governmental structure to support a pop boom so whatever they had could collapse with a population rise.

Technically the oil shortage isn't much of a shortage as it is not being able to drill offshore thanks to restrictive legislation but that's beside the point.

I can see your logic. If the parents aren't going to try and solve the problem themselves then the Government should step in and do it for us. Yeah ok. Logically this could work.

But regardless of this, I'm not for it. You and I both know this discussion will go nowhere, so I think I'm just going to state my set-in-stone opinion.

I think everyone should have a right to life. This includes in the womb from conception. It is the parent's responsibility to see that the child is raised with basic principles, not the government's. The growth of population should yield a growth in industry and workforce, thereby stabilizing the economy. Resources should not be a problem should industry be allowed to find or make more of it, creating jobs that will also help keep a steady supply of goods to the consumer.

If something in the system fails, things will go wrong. People will begin to question whether they should give up their rights to help strengthen society in general, and so they look to the government to control more things to compensate for the problems. In this case, it is economic trouble, and the rights the people will give away is the right to bear as many children as they want. I don't think we should give the government power over such a thing. I think people should be free to live as they please and to live up to or fail at their responsibilities regardless of the ultimate outcome on society. If we go downhill it's the people's fault for not looking ahead. It should be an individual decision, not a government one. Period.

Obligatory IMO.

now hold on

that isn't quite fair to the parents

i.e., a couple decides to have sex; the girl is on the pill and the guy uses a condom
the condom breaks, and the pill fails for whatever reason (both are possible)

the girl gets pregnant, and they don't have the money to support a child

what then? shouldn't they be allowed to have an abortion?

No. The way I see it, protection or not, they had sex. Even with protection there is a chance that it will fail, and if they didn't think about this than it is their fault. Now they must take responsibility for their child, perhaps with the help of charity or setting it up for adoption if they truely can't take care of it.

Obligatory IMO.

People who contribute to the production of more than two children are evil in my books.

Mainly because more children correlates with lower general intellect in the household. I can't wait until we have a drone caste who can live within the lower levels of the dystopian future and can have as many children as they want without bothering the rest of us.

Also, less children means you can give each one more attention and provide them with more nuturing.

b-but it's a natural right to reproduce!!!!!

no law should stop that!!!!!!!!

This thread is starting to go places too close that I'm not too comfortable with. Maybe it's time for a lock?

This post has been edited by DJ Elly on Oct 3 2009, 12:52 PM

This would also be the parent's fault. By this logic, all my 8 little siblings would be progressively more stupid, with the final one being retarded.

The third to last taught himself how to read playing video games at the age of four. Your argument is invalid.

Yeah this is basically what I'm saying.

Really guys, this argument shouldn't exist, especially on the CCC. Neither of us will be able to weaken the other's because both sides are rock solid on their beliefs. It will not go anywhere.

I didn't mean biologically more children means less brain activity.

I mean large families are statistically less educated. But this is most likely because intellectuals and professionals have less children.

If you showed me something that made me accept contributing to more than two children is beneficial on a grand scale, or a reason why life is important, I would sway or at least throw out some apathy.

Sadly there is no such something.

This post has been edited by Hippoman on Oct 3 2009, 12:54 PM

so my sar[b][/b]casm is what you were saying

This post has been edited by Lupo on Oct 3 2009, 12:54 PM

It could also be because parents don't usually think ahead, which again delves into the whole "wide spread stupidity" thing.

Of course my family may be cheating by having us all homeschooled, but we get comments all the time about adults who can hardly handle two kids when my parents are able to handle all ten of us pretty well. This might be because the connection between parent and offspring is stronger but there's any number of other factors that could be thrown in.

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