Assemblies of God

Personally, I dislike persuing the angle that "SCIENCE DISPROVES RELIGION"

I tend to approach it more along the lines of "it just makes so much more sense for religion to be false." It's like little bits of a puzzle falling into place. When you see religion as more of a historical tool used to aide in the development of civilization, it's almost elegant.

That too.

(it did and it does that's why religion hates science)

however, the actual point of a religion (moral guidance, etc) is not affected in the least by scientific discovery, nor are their founding beliefs (the existence of a god)

oh you

I never said it doesn't disprove it.

Just that that particular argument has been done to death. I like coming up with new stuff. You can tell a Christian about all the scientific fallacies that exist in the bible as much as you want, but at the end of the day, they'll just say something like "YEAH WELL MAYBE YOU NEED EVIDENCE, BUT I DON'T."

So I think the other way around.

Not "what evidence is there that any Religion is true", but rather, "what evidence is there that any Religion is false?" You won't find much concrete proof, but there's certainly a lot of circumstancial evidence, making this angle a much more beautiful one. It's almost mathematical.

For example. It makes sense for Religion to have been created in order to control people and get them to follow laws.

It makes sense for people to attribute things they didn't understand to divine beings.

Religion is so... necessary - historically speaking - that the world as we know it couldn't possibly have been formed without it.

The God hypothesis is possibly one of the most beautiful lies in the history of mankind.

This post has been edited by ChaosEmerl on Oct 7 2009, 11:17 PM

what

Since when did anyone sit there and go, "oh man that bible sure is a good scientific tool" ??

is scientific fallacy a new name for VIAGRA?

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The bible spreads deceptive, misleading, false notions about the facts or truths concerning the operation of general laws.

Therefore it contains scientific fallacies.

Kind of simple, really.

This post has been edited by ChaosEmerl on Oct 7 2009, 11:21 PM

HAHA worldwide boner

This post has been edited by TurboMan on Oct 7 2009, 11:21 PM

I'm glad somebody gets that.

If God is all powerful then he obviously wouldn't need to follow science or it's rules so trying to fight religion with science is pointless.

Pretty much the only thing that does work from one to the other is logic, which goes either way depending on the person.

For instance, an atheist would say that God doesn't exist because logically something can't come from nothing, so where did God come from. While someone who does believe in a god would say that the universe is too complicated to exist without a God.

Both people are countering each other with logical reasons to back them up. The problem is that there will almost always be someone who can smack down both of these points with their own logic as well, so again, it goes either way and will likely never be completely resolved.

children grow and change

you get what im saying

You said scientific, not just something you believe. I rarely, if ever, see anyone basing their scientific knowledge only on the bible. Even christian scientists don't do this.

The problem is that the atheist has a good point that makes sense, whereas the religious person has made a grievous error.

How do you measure the complexity of a universe to know what is required for it to exist?

The world doesn't work that way.

You don't "follow" science.

Something can't "not follow science".


But see what I mean, this why I hate going the science route. It leads to so many misunderstandings.

The same way you figure out how it came to exist: by drawing conclusions based on the evidence and your own ideas.

EDIT: Made a huge, huge typo in there and didn't even complete my own thought. Wow. :O

This post has been edited by Chippermonkey on Oct 7 2009, 11:26 PM

Indeed, Count Dooku must've been disappointed

That's because you're trying to be smart and go LOL GOD VS SCIENCE ONLY, NO ITEMS, FINAL DESTINATION or something.

You're also applying terms that don't really work in the context you're trying to apply them.

This particular post I'm quoting is especially funny because he made no mention of "following" science.

I did that once. I had a deal with my friend, because I never go to church.

All I gotta say, never goin' again. So damn boring and listening to how people believe something so unrealistic.

them Christians are so hypocritical.

The problem is that scientists don't factually state how the universe came to exist. That is why their ideas are not referred to as facts; they are referred to as theories, because none of them has been proven entirely.

Scientific study currently only allows you to know what happened since the universe came to existence, and that only roughly.

You took two words I said, pulled them completely out of context, and started an entirely new argument with yourself.

Congratulations.

But I never said anybody was relying on the Bible for scientific information.

But while we're on the subject, people ARE relying on the Bible for some important historical information, which can be seen as scientific. Namely, how the universe was created, and how it works.

The Bible claims that a God created and continues to operate the universe, at such a level that he is intimately involved with the lives of humans.

That right there is a scientific hypothesis.

The question of "does God exist" is a real, scientific question that has an answer. Everything in the universe has an answer, because we exist.

We exist, therefore we MUST exist. Everything has a cause. Everything that happens MUST happen, and happens for a specific reason, because that's just how the universe works.