Assemblies of God

The problem is if you get into metaphysics and ponder what events caused these physical laws to form and act in the first place, and how the universe behaved before such things were created.

Oh I beg to differ.

You've found the flaw in the religious logic.

Let me find the flaw in the atheist logic.

If God were all powerful then time and space would mean nothing to him. He wouldn't need to come from anything, he just is. If you create the physics and laws pod the universe (such as "something can't come from nothing" then you don't really need to follow them.

The atheist "logic" is that they decided to believe the other end of a question that has no logical answer, as either can be true.

There's no logic here to disprove. This is solely a matter of preference; and preference is not something to debate scientifically.

I was actually trying to go the complete opposite route but hey, if this is what the people want, sure.

There are some terms that always apply.

You can't just say that something is magically exempt from the laws of the universe.

If that were the case, you could just start giving these exemptions to everything.

If God doesn't have to follow the laws of the universe, why does anything else? How can we be sure the sky won't be pink tomorrow? Who's to say gravity won't suddenly reverse and throw us off the planet?

Science isn't something meant to be followed. It's something meant to explain how the world works.

The problem with religion is that it also attempts to explain how the world works. Except its explanation is just plain incorrect.

Also it was in his second sentence. "If God is all powerful then he obviously wouldn't need to follow science or it's rules so trying to fight religion with science is pointless."

Uh, because God said so? What kind of question is this?

"if my car is blue, why isn't yours?!"

Why are we debating a mystical sorcerer to a fact of being in a scientific category?

I mean, biology is different but... >_>

Bzzt!

What God can do is irrelevant. What matters is what God did do. And what God did do, we can prove and disprove.

The reasoning is simple: if something else caused it, God didn't.

In what universe is that logic?

Right. Then we hit a blank spot because we just plain don't know.

So how on earth would some jews 2000 years ago know this?

They say God spoke to the writers of the Bible.

Well God speaks to a lot of people today as well. Those people tend to end up in correctional facilities.

Well, Chaos, what you're saying isn't totally what you're thinking it is, here.

You basically said, "God is a scientific fallacy," (well, really you said religion as a whole, but work with me, now). What I said was, basically, "how is this a scientific fallacy because I don't see anybody basing their scientific knowledge on the bible." You then proceeded to basically say, "Claiming God exists is scientific and it's also false--" *bzzt* stop right there.

I'm sorry, bro, but science has neither proven nor disproven that there is God, a god, or some fluffy space aliens that created life on this planet as we know it. Science has only come up with theories, or ideas. You cannot sit here and tell me, "well that's wrong," because you can't even prove that your own idea of this thing is right.

Don't call it a scientific fallacy unless you can prove, 100%, that it's false. Which you can't. You also can't prove, 100%, that it does exist. This much I am willing to give you.

Hey you just summed up what I've been trying to say in a sentence, thank you.

yayayay bibal flames :3

I wish people could see the simple logic that whether God exists or not cannot be measured scientifically and isn't a question for science

You can discredit it, yes; you can't outright disprove it.

I'm all for disagreeing in religious matters themselves but on this point there's really no arguing.

this topic has degraded into people typing out rather lengthly posts without actually saying anything

listen to draco guys

I actually didn't say that Religion was a scientific fallacy.

I said that the Bible contained scientific fallacies.

Here's one:

A man in sandals raises his arms and a lake splits so that he can walk through it.

Here's another:

A man gets eaten by a whale, lives for a few days, then gets spit out.

The second one is a little less hard to believe but I hope you get what I was saying now.


And this isn't an attempt to dodge the fact that I do believe the question of God existing is a scientific question. It's just that that isn't what I said in my initial post.

By the way, my religious belief is a branching path really

I think that if there is a God, here's what he did:


God: man i am SO bored
God: hey! i can make a universe *opens 3ds max*
God: uh
God: let's put some lighting so i can see what i can doing, let there be light ****er
*he works for like six days*
God: ugh, **** this, i'm gonna play katamari damacy while my world grows

*he comes back in a bit*

God: did you guys just eat that apple
Eve: sorry it's my fault
God: get the hell out of my garden. and you serpent dude! you're satan, go to hell, you can torture people if you want but i don't care
God: k back to katamari bbl

*we never see him again*

great draco now i'm imagining mikeL as god because of his 3ds max shenanigans

I like this idea.

Maybe I should rephrase my standpoint here.

The question of "Is there a God" is essentially unanswerable.

But.

The question of "Is the Christian God real?" or "Is the Shinto God real?" or any specific God, that can be answered.

These Gods are specifically described to have done specific things.

And it can be determined whether or not these things actually happened.


I know a lot of people would now say "Well sure, maybe not everything in the Bible is true, but that doesn't mean God isn't real!"

Well, you're right, it doesn't. It just means that your prayers are completely pointless because there's a 99.99% chance that if a God DOES exist, he's not YOUR God.

And while we're on the subject of prayers, that's something that has been scientifically proven to do absolutely nothing.

But bleh, why am I even trying? The nature of Religion is practically unchangeable. Unlike science, religion is all about maintaining the same beliefs, rather than seeking out more accurate answers.

If someone doesn't want to take a step toward learning about the true nature of the universe, that's up to them.

But it only further proves the stupidity of our species, and I highly doubt Religion will be going anywhere any time soon. Best case scenario, it becomes more socially acceptable to be an atheist. But Religion will always exist, just as war will always exist, and stupidity will always exist.