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Posted: Oct 19 2009, 11:27 PM
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if you're going to change the topic's description and whine about everyone arguing with you about what constitutes opinion and what makes a fact instead of trying to resolve the problem then why are you even posting

the problem is that you're coming off as biased towards linux

remove that bias and everything will be fine

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Posted: Oct 19 2009, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (OniLink10 @ Oct 19 2009, 11:25 PM)
http://www.kaspersky.com/viruswatchlite?hour_offset=4&page=5
There's your proof. Kaspersky's live update list of new viruses. Most of them appear to be trojans, specifically trojans that are clones of each other with a slight modification.

I'm not an expert on virus signatures but let's take the first entry from the list, Trojan.Win32.Genome.auip. Strip off the "mutation" bit on the end and there's over 32,000 entries for this alone. Personally, I don't consider a virus that modifies its signature with each new infection as "writing thousands of new viruses every day". If anything, it underscores the flaws of signature-based virus protection for complex threats like self-modifying code.


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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 01:03 AM
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+Most people use it, so you can expect it to be compatible with just about anything
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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 01:54 AM
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Hi i use both linux and windows and I don't feel I have to justify using either one.

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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 03:57 AM
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just reading this now, I think onilink did an admirable job of making the OP unbiased.

however, one of Linux's cons is misleading: the lack of support for proprietary formats?
I can open, import, and play back plenty of proprietary formats of video, audio, documents, etc. just fine with Free Software. the only issue is that in certain countries, there are legal issues involving patents that get raised when Free implementations of patented protocols/formats are distributed.
perhaps "technical legal issues with supporting certain proprietary formats out of the box"

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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (DJ Elly @ Oct 20 2009, 01:54 AM)
Hi i use both linux and windows and I don't feel I have to justify using either one.

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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 06:47 AM
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-Linux is for poor people and Neckbeards
-Linux was made for aspiring homeless businessmen.
-Linux was designed for Europeans.

-Windows is for hard working people.
-Windows was designed to make you a chick magnet, women want to be with you and guys want to be you.
-Windows is straight up American baby.

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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 06:51 AM
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I think that what operating system you use is mainly a matter of opinion. I've tried both Windows and Linux and I happen to like Windows better, but I can see why others would like Linux. On the issue of viruses, if you have a good virus scanner, you probably won't be affected by viruses.


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Linux:
- not user friendly

and by user-friendly I mean I can't jump right into Linux and be expected to get it. With Windows you pretty much can. It's one of the main problems I have with Linux that keeps me from using it as my main OS. The other reason is the lack of support for Windows games.


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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE (Mecha the Slag @ Oct 20 2009, 07:34 AM)
Linux:
- not user friendly

and by user-friendly I mean I can't jump right into Linux and be expected to get it. With Windows you pretty much can.

This for me too.

Also using Linux is like driving a Hybrid; everyone that does tries desperately and constantly to justify why they do and why all other products are inferior. Except nobody asked.

Linux:
+at least it's not Mac.

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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE (Lightning @ Oct 20 2009, 01:57 AM)
just reading this now, I think onilink did an admirable job of making the OP unbiased.

however, one of Linux's cons is misleading: the lack of support for proprietary formats?
I can open, import, and play back plenty of proprietary formats of video, audio, documents, etc. just fine with Free Software. the only issue is that in certain countries, there are legal issues involving patents that get raised when Free implementations of patented protocols/formats are distributed.
perhaps "technical legal issues with supporting certain proprietary formats out of the box"

Thank you Lightning, I will correct that mistake.


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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 09:17 AM
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can you fix the THOSUANDS OF VIRUSES ARE WRITTEN EACH DAY thing for windows too

yes there are thousands and maybe millions of viruses for windows, that does not mean that every day thousands more are written even if you can somehow magically guess that that is the case it does not make it so
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maybe change it to "innefficient virus scanning techniques mean thousands of entries need to be added to their database every day" if you still want that dramatic effect

at least that's how i read it. idk.
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Posted: Oct 20 2009, 02:42 PM
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What the hell happened to this topic.

How many ****ing times do I have to say that Windows is not the standard? They broke the standard to create a pseudo-monopoly; as opposed to taking the current standard and using it for Windows and not have control over it, they broke it so they would have full control, then claimed they were making a standard. Windows has a standard among windows, but Linux and BSD and even Mac all share the same standards that Microsoft is attempting to break.

I'm extremely surprised that you said Linux instead of GNU/Linux, considering how you bug so many people about it.

GNU/Linux can very well be "dived right into." I did so myself. Just because you're used to one thing and this is different does not mean it's any harder or easier to use.
I will admit that among the GNU software, there is no real standard in a lot of things (for tiny things, like interfaces), which are quite annoying. However, it's getting better.

Overall, the ideas and foundation of GNU are far better than Windows', at least in my opinion, although the way it is currently set up brings up an argument (if GNU was the way the developers wanted it, there would be no question on which one is better, but it isn't). If more people actually gave a ****ing damn about what these people were trying to do, they'd help them, leave Windows in the dust, and help remove all problems with GNU/Linux such as hardware support (which, in my experience, is an extreme problem).

Although, Microsoft is making an equal or larger amount of mistakes in areas such as removing support for old hardware, and not bothering to make anything efficient because "computers nowadays can handle it; why the hell are you using an old computer"
They also fail to realize the open flaws that make their operating system insecure. Whether or not you have viruses is out of the question; whether or not people are visiting suspicious sites is out of the question; there are ways to completely prevent viruses by making the operating system correctly. Windows is not made correctly.

Point is, Microsoft used to make a damn good operating system. Now, they've ruined it, but people don't pay attention and still use it because it was good. People use their argument of "user-friendliness" and don't bother to use anything related to GNU or Linux because they think it is not good, therefore they don't bother.

I doubt a quarter of the people who have posted saying GNU/Linux is not user-friendly even tried using any Linux-based OS longer than ten seconds, just to honestly see what it's like. Because, clearly, not many of you know much about it.

While I do see quite a bit of value in using Windows (more support for hardware currently, more applications made for Windows currently), I do not see any reason why people should be fast as hell to point the finger at GNU/Linux because of something they heard or didn't try enough to confirm.

And, just for the record, I've heard so many reasons why GNU/Linux is bad, but not a single one was legit. You've said that "it's not user-friendly," but have never stated why. That, I'd like to know.

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I just want to say it's bad when you try to force your views on something when the subject is completely based on what the individual prefers.

Do you use a Linux distro and see someone enjoying a different Linux distro from yours, Windows, or OSX? That's good, shut up and let them use what they like.

(not directed specifically at anyone who has posted in here, just in case any of you think so)

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QUOTE (Lupo @ Oct 20 2009, 04:01 PM)
I just want to say it's bad when you try to force your views on something when the subject is completely based on what the individual prefers.

Do you use a Linux distro and see someone enjoying a different Linux distro from yours, Windows, or OSX? That's good, shut up and let them use what they like.

I agree 100% with this post. And, I'd like to point out that I do see exactly why people like the OSes they use, if it may seem like I'm trying to promote GNU/Linux (even though I sort of am, and I do prefer it, I'm not trying to get other people to use it). I'm trying to promote not being annoying and saying Windows is good and Linux is bad and that D'OHOHOHOHO I HAS USER FRIENDLY and other stuff like that.

Also, in b4 lock, this is going nowhere.

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Its really not a fault to list opinions, and talking about others. But, if you attempt to act like a higher standard, ignore their opinions, and blab about yours, other people would to tend to lash out on you about how much of a jerk you're being.

And Onilink, that's what you've been doing for countless times. Stop it.


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windows is the standard by majority user base, sadly. Microsoft does't give a **** about standards other people create because frankly, they don't have to.
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Uh, what happened to this topic. I don't see any bias in the first post, and most of OniLink's posts serve to inform people who are uninformed ...

I think some of you are lashing out on OniLink because of personal bias. If you don't like his topics, shut up and don't post in them.


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QUOTE (Razz @ Oct 20 2009, 04:45 PM)
Uh, what happened to this topic. I don't see any bias in the first post, and most of OniLink's posts serve to inform people who are uninformed ...

I think some of you are lashing out on OniLink because of personal bias. If you don't like his topics, shut up and don't post in them.

Yeah but mfgg will ignore this and do it anyways.


Plus most people will think he's forcing linux onto them probably because half of his posts is about linux/defending it or bashing windows/pointing out flaws no one cares about. (no offense)




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