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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE (Klobber @ Mar 16 2004, 09:11 AM)
I was just using the orange as an example, feel free to replace orange with anything else. My point is it's not just how you draw but what you draw and why you drew it, and there are so many ways you can't really choose the best.

Yeah, I've been ranting about something like that in one of my Deviantart journals. hardly anybody really does that sort of thing nowadays, though. And don't say I'm a hypocrit for saying that, everything I draw is just practice/concept art/ideas/wtf.


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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE (Klobber @ Mar 16 2004, 09:11 AM)
I was just using the orange as an example, feel free to replace orange with anything else. My point is it's not just how you draw but what you draw and why you drew it, and there are so many ways you can't really choose the best.

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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE (Klobber @ Mar 15 2004, 10:52 PM)
For the record, I see EXACTLY where Kritter is coming from and I think some other people should too. Particularly with the artist thing, that's kinda hard to judge because there are so many different styles. I like Jhonen Vasquez's style, but I hate people who constantly imitate it. Art is weird like that. Art's always in the eye of the beholder, so truth be told there can never be a "best" artist.

Two people could draw something to represent an emotion such as love. One person might use all sorts of colors, draw photorealistically, and make a jaw-dropping piece of art. Another person could spend 5 minutes on a drawing and convey it better. So in that way it's hard to choose.

If I spent three years drawing an orange to represent love, and made the orange the most perfect orange you ever did see, and then a 5 year old came along and drew two stick figures holding hands with rainbows in the background, he would've conveyed the art better than I did. Even though the orange might be so realistic you could taste it.

Anyway, that's just with art. My point is I believe there are some categories where you cannot be the best in, by the very nature of the topic in question.

The awards can be fine, if used in the right way. I can see that, to a degree. I'm not going to go the "they might win and not deserve it" route, I'm going to go the "What if everyone deserves it?" There wouldn't be a right for one person to hold such a title.

Anyway, that's just my two cents. Don't think I'm losing sleep over this. Also, don't think that if I DO win any awards I'm going to even aknowledge winning them. I don't mean that to seem unthankful (and I'm not saying I did win anything, I'm just using myself as an example). Anything I personally win, if indeed I did win anything, will be kept to the topic and not bragged about the forum, I'd recommend everyone who wins any category does the same thing. Winning an award is all well and good, but don't act like an asshole, and remember that these awards mean nothing compared to what you do. You know what you're capable of, if someone wins an award and you think you deserved it more, then damn it, you probably do deserve it more.

So yeah. Awards, all well and good, but just don't take them seriously, and remember that the awards process itself is flawed like everything else in this world of ours.

Thank you for at least being reasonable. soveryhappy.gif

And I agree with what you said in that last sentence. You can't do an award thing without being biased.


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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 12:10 PM
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Yeah, I want to see an awards show with zero bias or influence. I dare y'all, it just can't work.


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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE (SonicProject @ Mar 16 2004, 04:56 AM)
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To settle the argument, majority vote doesn't magically give awards and titles to people who deserve it. Look at George Bush.

No one ever said it did but winners are decided by majorite vote. And by the way, whether someone deserves something or not is an opinion not fact. You may think that one person doesn't deserve the award or position they have but other people disagree with you.

If you dare say that there are intelligent people who like George Bush I will lose all respect for you.

Are we talking about the same George Bush? The current one? "They misunderestimate me", "Is our children learning", and wasting "There ought to be limits to freedom" on a web page that made fun of him?

I don't care if people think he deserves it because he doesn't. Not to mention that this all-powerful "majority vote" you speak of? The majority of people in the world think Bush is an idiot, contradicting the majority vote that elected him. What do you say to that?

George Bush is an awful President, and whoever voted for him must be feeling awful. If not, shoot them.
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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (SonicProject @ Mar 16 2004, 03:05 AM)
Kritter deserves the Unsung Hero award in my opinion. No, Willy really doesn't deserve that because people give him appreciation for the most part.

EDIT: And no, I'm not sucking up. I'm being honest. Without Kritter, there wouldn't have been a forum. Without the forum, there wouldn't have been a place for visitors to suggest and discuss things related to the site which probably would of meant no PHP upload system. MFGG might not have continued to exist either. It would have faded away without the forum.

Well, I was okay with this topic until that was mentioned. Now I really don't feel like being a particpant in this rant, so please take me out of any nominational catagories. In all your opinions, I don't deserve anything. So, I hope someone else can enjoy my place in those catagories, because frankly, I don't care if I win or not.


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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:22 PM
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He didn't mean it like I think you thought he did. What he MEANT was that the unsung hero category is meant for people who don't get the recognition they deserve, whereas you DO get that.
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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:34 PM
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I know, I shouldn't get the award because if I did get the respect, then I wouldn't be a unsung hero. (It's hard to call it thankless job, though, when the people who call it thankless, aren't the ones who undertook the task. This was just a reflective thought on what Fanguy said.)


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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (Willy Goldwater @ Mar 16 2004, 08:08 PM)
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Kritter deserves the Unsung Hero award in my opinion. No, Willy really doesn't deserve that because people give him appreciation for the most part.

EDIT: And no, I'm not sucking up. I'm being honest. Without Kritter, there wouldn't have been a forum. Without the forum, there wouldn't have been a place for visitors to suggest and discuss things related to the site which probably would of meant no PHP upload system. MFGG might not have continued to exist either. It would have faded away without the forum.

Well, I was okay with this topic until that was mentioned. Now I really don't feel like being a particpant in this rant, so please take me out of any nominational catagories. In all your opinions, I don't deserve anything. So, I hope someone else can enjoy my place in those catagories, because frankly, I don't care if I win or not.

He means Kritter is underappreciated (and he is, very), while we are extremely thankful for you paying for the site and we acknowledge that.
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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE (Willy Goldwater @ Mar 16 2004, 08:34 PM)
I know, I shouldn't get the award because if I did get the respect, then I wouldn't be a unsung hero. (It's hard to call it thankless job, though, when the people who call it thankless, aren't the ones who undertook the task. This was just a reflective thought on what Fanguy said.)

Huh? By that logic, nobody gets Unsung Hero, unless I just don't understand what you mean.
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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Mar 17 2004, 04:34 AM)
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Kritter deserves the Unsung Hero award in my opinion. No, Willy really doesn't deserve that because people give him appreciation for the most part.

EDIT: And no, I'm not sucking up. I'm being honest. Without Kritter, there wouldn't have been a forum. Without the forum, there wouldn't have been a place for visitors to suggest and discuss things related to the site which probably would of meant no PHP upload system. MFGG might not have continued to exist either. It would have faded away without the forum.

Well, I was okay with this topic until that was mentioned. Now I really don't feel like being a particpant in this rant, so please take me out of any nominational catagories. In all your opinions, I don't deserve anything. So, I hope someone else can enjoy my place in those catagories, because frankly, I don't care if I win or not.

He means Kritter is underappreciated (and he is, very), while we are extremely thankful for you paying for the site and we acknowledge that.

It was a difficult thing to notice later on though, what I thought was going to be the outcome of me paying for the site, was totally different then what happened. As long as you guys are enjoying the site's return, though. That was my purpose.


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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Mar 17 2004, 04:35 AM)
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I know, I shouldn't get the award because if I did get the respect, then I wouldn't be a unsung hero. (It's hard to call it thankless job, though, when the people who call it thankless, aren't the ones who undertook the task. This was just a reflective thought on what Fanguy said.)

Huh? By that logic, nobody gets Unsung Hero, unless I just don't understand what you mean.

Don't think too hard on it. In fact, don't even bother with what I say, it could make your head explode. =P


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Posted: Mar 16 2004, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE (Willy Goldwater @ Mar 16 2004, 08:40 PM)
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QUOTE (Draco Icebane @ Mar 17 2004, 04:35 AM)
QUOTE (Willy Goldwater @ Mar 16 2004, 08:34 PM)
I know, I shouldn't get the award because if I did get the respect, then I wouldn't be a unsung hero. (It's hard to call it thankless job, though, when the people who call it thankless, aren't the ones who undertook the task. This was just a reflective thought on what Fanguy said.)

Huh? By that logic, nobody gets Unsung Hero, unless I just don't understand what you mean.

Don't think too hard on it. In fact, don't even bother with what I say, it could make your head explode. =P

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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 07:58 AM
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Do you have to place a vote for every category? I'm not around MFGG much, and I don't wanna vote for something that I have no clue about, or on a topic where I don't know any of the people. Can I vote on just a few categories? or should I just wait until next time when I'm smarter :P


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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 08:00 AM
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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (Willy Goldwater @ Mar 16 2004, 11:34 PM)
I know, I shouldn't get the award because if I did get the respect, then I wouldn't be a unsung hero. (It's hard to call it thankless job, though, when the people who call it thankless, aren't the ones who undertook the task. This was just a reflective thought on what Fanguy said.)

What was meant by thankless is "you deserve lots of thanks for it, but in reality not many people think about who pays for hosting, they take it for granted", rather than "the job doesn't deserve any thanks".


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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 08:28 PM
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Yeah, what RII said, that's what I meant. Sure, you do deserve a lot of thanks, because without you we might not even have a site right now. But it's true that people who take care of site expenses usually don't get all the thanks they deserve.


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Posted: Mar 17 2004, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (Willy Goldwater @ Mar 16 2004, 10:08 PM)
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Kritter deserves the Unsung Hero award in my opinion. No, Willy really doesn't deserve that because people give him appreciation for the most part.

EDIT: And no, I'm not sucking up. I'm being honest. Without Kritter, there wouldn't have been a forum. Without the forum, there wouldn't have been a place for visitors to suggest and discuss things related to the site which probably would of meant no PHP upload system. MFGG might not have continued to exist either. It would have faded away without the forum.

Well, I was okay with this topic until that was mentioned. Now I really don't feel like being a particpant in this rant, so please take me out of any nominational catagories. In all your opinions, I don't deserve anything. So, I hope someone else can enjoy my place in those catagories, because frankly, I don't care if I win or not.

I didn't mean it that way. You are not an unsung hero because people appreciate what you have done.


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Posted: Mar 18 2004, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (SonicProject @ Mar 18 2004, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (Willy Goldwater @ Mar 16 2004, 10:08 PM)
QUOTE (SonicProject @ Mar 16 2004, 03:05 AM)
Kritter deserves the Unsung Hero award in my opinion. No, Willy really doesn't deserve that because people give him appreciation for the most part.

EDIT: And no, I'm not sucking up. I'm being honest. Without Kritter, there wouldn't have been a forum. Without the forum, there wouldn't have been a place for visitors to suggest and discuss things related to the site which probably would of meant no PHP upload system. MFGG might not have continued to exist either. It would have faded away without the forum.

Well, I was okay with this topic until that was mentioned. Now I really don't feel like being a particpant in this rant, so please take me out of any nominational catagories. In all your opinions, I don't deserve anything. So, I hope someone else can enjoy my place in those catagories, because frankly, I don't care if I win or not.

I didn't mean it that way. You are not an unsung hero because people appreciate what you have done.

I know, sorry. Yesterday, I was a little angry since my computer shut down, everything seemed to be building up on my nerves. I didn't really take the time to understand what you said, nor' did I understand the term "Unsung Hero". So, sorry for any disruptions.


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