Revolution leak!?, Retro's game?

I think an extra 10 second wait (30 second-40 seconds now) for a GORGEOUS interacable envirnoment is worth it.

I don't play games to wait for a realistic environment to load.

Not until objects and textures start popping up out of nowhere mid-level

You are too impatient.

No, it's just that I could care less about amazing graphics. That's not why I play games.

the "zelda leak" looks cooler

Interactable. I know what you mean, like I don't play games for graphics, they are just a plus but interactable doesn't count as graphics.

shenmue had good graphics and interactible backrounds


and that game is kidn of old now


::shot::

Half-Life Twoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Games have had interactable objects for a while now.

If it's a good game, hell, I'll wait for load times.

@ Shadowman: They announced a price for the 360?

As for the Metroid Prime video, it was running on Gamecube dev kits, I believe.

Lemme look back through some news archives, I've seen the number $299 used tons of times.

Ah, here we are.
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=5587

Oh cool, I missed that. Thanks.

See; the problem you're discussing is the ideology Nintendo has set forth on.

With more processing power, yes you have the ability to do all those things... but so far do we have jerseys that rip and tear realistically? Is the next-gen Madden going to offer physics where a harder tackle means more turf flying? Nope!

How about Killzone 2; is it gonna have ricocheting bullets that splinter blood and shrapnel across each character's face? *raises finger* *puts it back down* nope.

This is the problem; more power doesn't mean better artists, and such doesn't equal a BETTER GAME. Your graphics will only be as good as the artists working on them, your physics will only be as good as the programmers who designed them. In the end, you're going to find out that not everyone is Nintendo, nor is everyone Valve.

But it will take you a few months to realize this.

So basically you think besides Valve and Nintendo that there is nothing else? I've never seen an elite Nintendo game with a great engine, really, I've seen really good but not great (great being HL2). Put it this way, I like army, Valve and Ubisoft can cover that and they can cover it better then anyone else out there right now. So I have nothing to worry about. Neither of those two have ever failed to impress me (well, RBS3 had that bad co-op copy, didn't impress me much).

Also, Epic, making Gears of War with the new UT engine, if you think they can't accomplish amazing physics...lets just say you are wrong.

It will be the exact same bad companies will produce bad games and good create good. Not like it is just going to completely change. I don't see exactly what you mean but I sort of do.

Lastly for the Killzone 2 remark, well, in CS: Source, you shoot someone, they have a splat on them or they could have say a bloody arm. It isn't too tough do do things like that, to come about doing things like that they just need an a lot bigger staff.

Err; yeah a blood splat isn't that hard to do, I remember having stuff like that in Goldeneye... you know that was nine years ago? Maybe developers don't have to go very far to impress you afterall pal

In fact, I can think of a literal crap ton of FPS titles that have blood splats on walls -and- on the player, as well as dismemberment...

- Jedi Knight II or III
- Soldier of Fortune II
- even Quake III mods like Navy Seals have this
- Time Splitters
- Perfect Dark
- Duke Nukem 3D had wall splats and spraying blood
- Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
- Half Life

The list goes on and on, many of these games show their age otherwise... but if you're gonna get excited about something that simple, maybe you shouldn't be concerned about what system you buy; these are widely available games on older systems and the PC.

Not only is something like a blood splat "not that difficult", it's something that has been a standard in FPSes for a long time now yo. And if all it takes is little tricks like that to impress you, again maybe this is why you don't see what I'm talking about. It's like you said, good companies can make good games and the bad companies will not improve, but make no mistake that "good" developers are a more and more rare commodity as development costs rise, and the difficulty of producing a game at what should be the "modern complexity" increases. You're going to find more and more then only big names can keep up without external funding, and that talent will be overshadowed by mainstream purchasing power; buying into the theory that you can survive on an Xbox 360 with three whole games, two of which will be Halo and the other Perfect Dark Zero. What the hell man, what the hell.

I never said I was impressed by this, I am just saying your Killzone 2 remark isn't anything and I ment more then just a splat. Well, whatever. Anyways, you sort of act as if I am one of these people who buys the system for Halo and PDZ. No doubt, I will get both of those games but I am buying it for Ubi, Valve and Rockstar (maybe a bit more). Well, I know that what will be on the 360 will be on PC, a big reason why I will get the 360 is my brother refuses to play PC and like me he doesn't like Sony. We'll probably get Rev too but 360 first. Also, I don't think talented programmers are something not common because all it really is is an intelligent person who studied programming. Any intelligent person could be a programmer if they wanted. One problem that may occur is the amount of people that these companies can hire, without jacking up the price of the game. It would either be a longer wait for games or a higher price...OR they could always just use the same engines.

Programming isn't just writing code - it's engineering very clever ways to make games run fast enough to play.

You're definately going to see games jump $5 in price at the least, because of the ridiculous amounts of manpower companies are going to need in order to develop games with the sort of graphics they're promising. The gaming industry has reached the Hollywood level of excess, which I find to be rather disappointing.