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QUOTE (Citrusponge @ Nov 12 2005, 02:48 AM)
I thought of an awesome new item: a nintendog

That's cruel and messed up. I thought being able to beat up Chansey and Marill was bad enough.


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Posted: Nov 12 2005, 07:00 AM
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Definetly Wario.
And Since HAL laboratories owns SSB, I can't see a reason why Meta Knight would've been left out.

And Maybe some more female characters.


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QUOTE (YoshiMonarch7 @ Nov 11 2005, 11:07 PM)
Isn't Sega supposedly developing this?

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QUOTE (AkuAkooie @ Nov 12 2005, 04:59 AM)
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QUOTE (Med Piranha @ Nov 12 2005, 05:51 AM)
That's cruel and messed up. I thought being able to beat up Chansey and Marill was bad enough.

Maybe the Nintendog just follows you around and attacks? And it can't be killed either, it just you just have to avoid it until it disappears.


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QUOTE (General Biddy @ Nov 11 2005, 09:05 PM)
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Playing as bosses without gameshark/AR haxing would kick ass and you know it.


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QUOTE (Thunder @ Nov 11 2005, 07:27 PM)
Sonic (It's gonna happen)

There is a chance, but it is by no means guaranteed.

However, if Nintendo does allow downloadable characters (I believe I first mentioned this; I made it up, I have never heard it mentioned) then it is likely someone will eventually hack the format and add Sonic themselves.

In which case they will likely open-source it so you can modify their making Sonic a completely unbalanced character
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I made this list a couple months back in my DJ. Since this subject usually gives me SO MUCH FURY, I'm going to avoid all debate and just post what I think for the time being, hoping somebody gets enlightenment from it.

Here's my ideal character list for SSB3. In making it, I'm adhering to a few strict rules:

1// Keep all characters from SSB and SSBM. Love or hate Pichu, Marth, whomever--they won't go away. If characters were disposable, Jigglypuff would not have seen screentime in SSBM because she was so bad in the first one; yet they bring her back (and improve her), so I doubt HAL would be rid of any other characters.

2// At least fifty characters total, with multiple characters per franchise wherever possible.

3// NINTENDO CHARACTERS ONLY. No Sonic or Tails. No Goku or Vegeta. No Banjo or Conker (or Rare characters in general with the exception of those which Nintendo has made canon to their universe, such as Krystal, Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, etc).

So here's the list of available characters from SSBM:

Super Mario Bros.:

1// Mario
2// Luigi
3// Princess Peach
4// Bowser
5// Dr. Mario

Legend of Zelda:

6// Link
7// Zelda/Sheik
8// Ganondorf
9// Young Link

StarFox:

10// Fox McCloud
11// Falco Lombardi

Pokémon:

12// Pikachu
13// Jigglypuff
14// Mewtwo
15// Pichu

Fire Emblem:

16// Marth
17// Roy

Other:

18// Yoshi
19// Donkey Kong
20// Captain Falcon
21// Samus Aran
22// Ness
23// Ice Climbers
24// Kirby
25// Mr. Game & Watch

Starting with the Legend of Zelda series (since I have no clue where to begin with Mario), only two characters should really be added: Captain Tetra, aka Zelda the Fourth, who would be a great speedy melee fighter (no pun intended) and an original version of Ganondorf based off his dual sword style from Wind Waker. Tetra would NOT transform into Zelda, unlike Zelda and Sheik. while Ganondorf as he is was badass if only because he is Ganondorf, the whole "slow-ass Captain Falcon clone" thing was a real rip, especially because he never uses his awesome sword outside his victory taunt. Maybe they should consider adding Vaati in his Minish form, too, just for the sake of more villains. Young Link should likewise get the Wind Waker makeover. "Ganon" could make an appearance as a non-playable boss character similar to Giga Bowser.

Legend of Zelda:

1// Link
2// Zelda/Sheik
3// Ganondorf (WindWaker)
4// Captain Tetra
5// Young Link (WindWaker)
6// Minish Vaati

NPC Boss: Ganon

Next, the StarFox series: with a cast of characters that was initially large, then shrunk down to the size of a pea for StarFox Adventures, then expanded again for StarFox Assault, there are a few prime SF characters to pick from. First on the list is Krystal, whose expertise with the staff could make her a melee-centric fighter, unlike Fox and Falco. Then Wolf O'Donnell could fill in the roll of playable franchise villain, whose raw speed could rival Captain Falcon's and Fox's. His specialty could be the wide range of weapons found in StarFox Assault. Andross could replace Master Hand and Crazy Hand, where you have to take out both hands and then beat up his head in order to obtain victory.

StarFox:

7// Fox McCloud
8// Falco Lombardi
9// Krystal
10// Wolf O'Donnell

NPC Boss: Andross

Okay. Finally getting onto Super Mario Bros., the most important addition to the Mushroom Kingdom's roster must be Wario; with a ratio of 4:1 when it comes to good vs. evil, throwing Wario into the mix would slightly balance out with Bowser. Clearly a heavyweight brawler, Wario could throw his weight around and use his various transformations to stay alive in the battlefield. Following Wario should be Cackletta and Fawful; both lightweights with a lot of tricks on their sleeves, their specialty would be distance attacks that prove difficult to avoid (unless you're a master Reflector). Giga Bowser would return as the NPC Boss. Waluigi and Daisy are tough out of luck here.

Super Mario Bros.:

11// Mario
12// Luigi
13// Princess Peach
14// Bowser
15// Dr. Mario
16// Wario
17// Cackletta
18// Fawful

NPC Boss: Giga Bowser

The hardest franchise to decide for is easily Pokémon; in a roster of 386 total, with only FOUR of which put into the game, it's easy to go nuts picking legendaries or generic, lame 'Mons to fill up Smash Space. So to keep things sane, here's a few choice guys that actually make sense: first, Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee, the ORIGINAL fighting type Pokémon. Both melee fighters, clearly, with the advantage of speed and elemental damage. Scizor, acting much like Captain Falcon and Wolf with a high-power, high-speed combo that could devistate in the hands of the right player. Tyranitar, a bruiser with strength at a distance and in close range combat. And lastly Deoxys, a sort of foil for Mewtwo, speedier but not as devastating. I suppose Munchlax could be thrown in there for comedic value. Rayquaza could act as the NPC Boss, towering over other characters and attacking with a harsh combination of Flying, Fire, Dragon and Ground attacks.

19// Pikachu
20// Jigglypuff
21// Mewtwo
22// Pichu
23// Hitmonchan
24// Hitmonlee
25// Scizor
26// Tyranitar
27// Deoxys
28// Munchlax

NPC Boss: Rayquaza

the Kirby franchise. One of the many in SSBM with only one representative--Kirby himself. From this, the two obvious expansions are King Dedede--a Kirby clone unable to copy powers, but is heavier and hits harder--and Metaknight, the swordsman puffball (because after four serious swordsmen, one that looks like Kirby in a mask and has bat wings = sexy.) Metaknight's skills would clearly be melee and speed based. Kirby staples Whispy Woods, Kracko and Paint Roller could all be NPC bosses; Whispy Woods is immune to regular attacks, so players must throw the apples he drops at him. Kracko is just fast and hard to hit, the *****, and Paint Roller could flood the screen with baddies while you try to attack him.

29// Kirby
30// King Dedede
31// Metaknight

NPC Bosses: Whispy Woods, Kracko, Paint Roller

Next, the Metroid franchise has as much potential for new members as StarFox; first and foremost, Ridley is a MUST, a fearsome combination of range, melee and power. Dark Samus could likewise appear in it, as a Samus clone with greater power but less speed. (The reason I chose Dark Samus over the SA-X is because the SA-X looks EXACTLY like Samus in her original outfit and there is nothing differentiating her from the real Samus other than the fact that she's got no soul.) Metroid and Super Metroid bosses Kraid and Mother Brain could act as great NPC bosses, especially Kraid; his background appearance in SSBM's Brinstar Depths was neat, but didn't do quite enough justice.

32// Samus
33// Ridley
34// Dark Samus

NPC Bosses: Mother Brain, Kraid

DK! Donkey Kong! (HUH!) DK! Donkey Kong is here! One of the more challenging franchises to figure out, Donkey Kong just doesn't have a wide array of combat characters. Diddy Kong could act as a fast, weak DK clone, while King K. Rool could throw his crown into the ring and muscle his way through with the toughest of them. The only thing is that I can't think of a good NPC boss, since I haven't played many DK games myself. Maybe KAOS from DKC3? Who knows.

35// Donkey Kong
36// Diddy Kong
37// King K. Rool

F-Zero has gotten a lot of attention recently, what with a GBA game, a GameCube game, an arcade game and an anime all within the past year and a half. This once-obscure Nintendo franchise started on the SNES and sparked an awesome, hairband-rocking sequel for the N64. Captain Falcon's inclusion in SSB brought some popularity to the racing title and for SSBM he got promoted from the status of secret character to one of the starting fourteen characters, having two levels of his own--F-Zero levels Big Blue and Mute City. Similar to Pokémon, F-Zero's cast of characters is enormous (41 large, to be exact, including Falcon himself) and more than just a few are evil. First up would be Samurai Goroh, Falcon's main arch-rival, a porker of a swordsman who could clash steel with Link and the others or throw his muscle around similar to Wario. Then would be Black Shadow, whose evil, supernatural powers and large build would make for a better Falcon clone than Ganondorf. And to balance out the forces of good and evil, Phoenix--the final new racer added to F-Zero canon by Sega--could light up the scene with his even-farther-into-the-future-than-Falcon powahh. Unfortunately, F-Zero has a lack of supersized boss villains...but maybe racer #00 Deathborn could supersize himself to bring some devastation down on the heroes and villains on the Smash Bros. field.

38// Captain Falcon
39// Samurai Goroh
40// Black Shadow
41// Phoenix

NPC Boss: Deathborn

Next on the chopping block is the Earthbound franchise...a Nintendo-made RPG series all but neglected since the days of the SNES, excluding the Smash Bros. games (due to Earthbound 2 being cancelled in the US back when the N64 was starting to flounder). I admit--I don't know much about EB because I never got too far in it, I kept dying early on and got too frustrated to keep playing it. But from what I've heard from Greliz, here's my list: first would be Prince Poo, because his name is hilarious. He could be a Ness clone or focus more on melee attacks or whatever. Then would be second party member Jeff, a techno whiz who would definitely be a unique character. And I guess Paula, cuz...well, there need to be more female characters, even if they are the stereotypical "girls fight with frying pans because they're only good for cooking and popping out babies >:E" kind. Finally, one of the many versions of Starman (not to be confused with the power-ups from Super Mario Bros., or the Megaman characters of the same name) could fill the roll of playable villain, while Giygas or Psycho Tent (is that what it's called?) could be the NPC bosses.

42// Ness
43// Poo
44// Jeff
45// Paula
46// Starman

NPC Bosses: Giygas, Psycho Tent

Lastly, before going into all the single-character stuff, the Yoshi franchise...another toughie, because most of the Yoshi franchise's characters are other Yoshis. The Baby characters--Baby Mario, Baby Luigi, Baby Bowser--don't get any loving here because they are technically Mario characters and we don't need any more of them. So Yoshi remains the only character to his franchise, though he has plenty of large enemies to choose from as an NPC boss--most likely Raphael the Raven, who has seen the most popularity after Yoshi's Island released.

47// Yoshi

NPC Boss: Raphael the Raven

Alongside the returning Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch, the long-anticipated ajoinment of Pitt would round off the cast of obscure characters nicely with his strong range powers and superior jumping skills. Lastly, the Ray Mk II, the main robot body from Nintendo's Pokémon-like Custom Robo series would likewise prove interesting.

48// Ice Climbers
49// Mr. Game & Watch
50// Pitt
51// Ray Mk. II

That's all for now.


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QUOTE (Kitsune Yamato @ Nov 12 2005, 11:42 AM)
Maybe the Nintendog just follows you around and attacks? And it can't be killed either, it just you just have to avoid it until it disappears.

There were cats, panthers and dragons in Powerstone 2 that worked like that--the first person to make contact with said animal gained "ownership" over it; it would prowl or fly around you, striking out at all other players for a certain amount of time before disappearing. So, technically, it's possible...but still. Can you see a dachsund bounding around in Hyrule, nipping at Ganondorf's ankles? XD


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Posted: Nov 12 2005, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE (Tei Sama @ Nov 12 2005, 06:38 PM)
19// Pikachu
20// Jigglypuff
21// Mewtwo
22// Pichu
23// Hitmonchan
24// Hitmonlee
25// Scizor
26// Tyranitar
27// Deoxys
28// Munchlax

No Charizard or Blaziken? Those two are more likely than Tyranitar or Scizor. Then again, i am biased toward Fires and Dragons


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I expect my furry to be in it



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QUOTE (Tei Sama @ Nov 12 2005, 07:38 PM)
3// NINTENDO CHARACTERS ONLY. No Sonic or Tails. No Goku or Vegeta. No Banjo or Conker (or Rare characters in general with the exception of those which Nintendo has made canon to their universe, such as Krystal, Diddy Kong, Dixie Kong, etc).

*cough*

Kirby isn't a Nintendo character
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Technically, he's Hals'.


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QUOTE (Tei Sama @ Nov 12 2005, 07:38 PM)
StarFox:

10// Fox McCloud
11// Falco Lombardi

Yeah what about Krystal and Leon
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QUOTE (BreakfastPirate @ Nov 12 2005, 08:58 PM)
SLIPPPY

PEPPYYY

No, both of those characters suck and you know that.
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i know..

STAR WOLF :<


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And I guess Paula, cuz...well, there need to be more female characters, even if they are the stereotypical "girls fight with frying pans because they're only good for cooking and popping out babies >:E" kind


You have obviously not played enough EarthBound. >:D


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QUOTE (StarRoadie @ Nov 13 2005, 12:04 AM)

You have obviously not played enough EarthBound. >:D

Paula is useless until the end of the game >_>


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QUOTE (Hypermug @ Nov 12 2005, 10:09 PM)
Paula is useless until the end of the game >_>

You crazy?

Paula kicks ass.

JEFF sucks. Jeff doesn't have any PP.
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